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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #30 on: September 24, 2019, 01:10:42 pm »
Well what authority does a 16-year-old have on this issue? I'll concede Trump has no authority either.

And are you accusing me of supporting Trump?

We're in this situation where, because she's an autistic teen, she's to be above critique. Because anyone who'd criticize a widdle girl is a meanie.

Trump has no authority? He's the friggin' POTUS!
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« Reply #31 on: September 24, 2019, 01:11:16 pm »
Well... let's put it this way: she's making an emotional plea.  Pretty much nobody thinks it's a bad idea to follow what she is generally saying.

Picking at her message... why do that ?  She can't be counted on to provide solid policy options and we're not taking new ideas anyway - the bare minimum is what we're trying like hell to move forward.

And as for making fun of her... That's the Republican brand right there.  It has been taken over by snoflakes.

I just think they're meaningless platitudes.

I'm all for reducing carbon, but are we talking about taking away freedoms and technological achievements to those reductions? Humans will solve the problem, because they have to, or because it's advantageous, not because a teenager is having a tantrum on TV.
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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #32 on: September 24, 2019, 01:12:53 pm »
Trump has no authority? He's the friggin' POTUS!

I mean in having an informed or constructive opinion on Climate Change.

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« Reply #33 on: September 24, 2019, 01:37:04 pm »
I mean in having an informed or constructive opinion on Climate Change.

So while he has no "informed or constructive opinion" on something as important as the climate, it's OK for him to mock a 16 year old who does? 

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« Reply #34 on: September 24, 2019, 01:45:40 pm »
1. I'm all for reducing carbon, but are we talking about taking away freedoms and technological achievements to those reductions?
2. Humans will solve the problem, because they have to, or because it's advantageous, not because a teenager is having a tantrum on TV.
1. Probably not, but reducing CO2 is a technological achievement also.
2. Believe it or not, at least one person out there changed their mind because of her.
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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #35 on: September 24, 2019, 01:59:54 pm »
An autistic teen doesn't inspire some old fogies...   not surprising there.  I'm not sure old fogies are redeemable...   

if she can inspire a few young people to vote and make a difference in their communities, that's pretty darn good.

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“Do you think they will hear us?” she asked the crowd of schoolchildren, teens and their adult allies. “We will make them hear us.”

https://thetyee.ca/News/2019/09/20/NYC-Climate-Strike/

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« Reply #36 on: September 25, 2019, 05:57:09 am »
An autistic teen doesn't inspire some old fogies...   not surprising there.  I'm not sure old fogies are redeemable...   

if she can inspire a few young people to vote and make a difference in their communities, that's pretty darn good.

https://thetyee.ca/News/2019/09/20/NYC-Climate-Strike/

“Some” old fogies squidlet. We aren’t a “thing” any more than any other age group.
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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #37 on: September 25, 2019, 08:14:36 am »
That's rather hopeful, Squid.
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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #38 on: September 25, 2019, 09:28:33 am »
Kids have no real power other than shaming their elders into doing the right thing.
IMO, she is trying hard but some have no shame.
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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #39 on: September 25, 2019, 11:53:41 am »
I don't quite understand the obsession among those who just want to attack her personally and whine about how people in general consider personally attacking teenage girls to be pathetic. It doesn't matter if she is in the public eye or saying things you disagree with. It's still pathetic to personally attack a teenage girl.
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« Reply #40 on: September 25, 2019, 12:23:45 pm »
I don't quite understand the obsession among those who just want to attack her personally and whine about how people in general consider personally attacking teenage girls to be pathetic. It doesn't matter if she is in the public eye or saying things you disagree with. It's still pathetic to personally attack a teenage girl.

Mind if I forward this to the White House: attn: POTUS?

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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #41 on: September 26, 2019, 07:24:39 pm »
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-on-climate-change-humanity-is-not-evil/

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Speaking at the United Nations, 16-year-old Swedish activist Greta Thunberg said that if humanity really understands the science of climate change and still fails to act, we’re “evil.” This is because climate change means “people are dying.” Helpfully, she also told us what we must do to act correctly: In a bit more than eight years, we will have exhausted our remaining allowance for carbon emissions, so we must shut down everything running on fossil fuels by 2028.

While this claim is not uncommon, it is fundamentally misguided. Yes, global warming is real and human-caused, but her vision of climate change as the end of the world is unsupported. The UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change estimates that by the 2070s, the total effects of climate change, including on ecosystems, will be equivalent to a reduction in average income of 0.2 to 2 per cent. By then, each person on the planet will be 300 to 500 per-cent richer.

We don’t emit CO2 with malign intent. Indeed, it is a byproduct of giving humanity access to unprecedented amounts of energy.

Just a century ago, life was back-breaking. Plentiful energy made better lives possible, without having to spend hours collecting firewood, polluting your household with smoke, achieving heat, cold, transportation, light, food and opportunities. Life expectancy doubled. Plentiful energy, mostly from fossil fuels, has lifted more than a billion people out of poverty in just the past 25 years.

That is not evil – it is quite the opposite.
The fact that alarmists are reduced to exploiting a teenager in order to promote their ideology is more a statement about the intellectual bankruptcy of the alarmists than those who have the temerity to question the reasons for putting such person on a media pedestal.

Lack of intellectual honesty is a huge problem in this debate. We are not going to reduce emissions significantly as long as human population is rising (certainly not to the zero claimed to be necessary to stave off disaster). No amount of wailing and nashing of teeth will change this reality. The only real choice is whether we choose to severely damage our economy in a futile attempt to reduce CO2 emissions or do we simply stop worrying about it and deal with the consequences as best as we are able (consequences that we have to deal with no matter what effort is put into emission reductions). The latter is the best gift we can give to future generations because they will be richer and better able to adapt than they would be if we deliberately undermined the economy.
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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #42 on: September 26, 2019, 08:33:01 pm »
What ?  Where you been ?  ??? ??? ???
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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #43 on: September 26, 2019, 08:46:15 pm »
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-on-climate-change-humanity-is-not-evil/
The fact that alarmists are reduced to exploiting a teenager in order to promote their ideology is more a statement about the intellectual bankruptcy of the alarmists than those who have the temerity to question the reasons for putting such person on a media pedestal.

Lack of intellectual honesty is a huge problem in this debate. We are not going to reduce emissions significantly as long as human population is rising (certainly not to the zero claimed to be necessary to stave off disaster). No amount of wailing and nashing of teeth will change this reality. The only real choice is whether we choose to severely damage our economy in a futile attempt to reduce CO2 emissions or do we simply stop worrying about it and deal with the consequences as best as we are able (consequences that we have to deal with no matter what effort is put into emission reductions). The latter is the best gift we can give to future generations because they will be richer and better able to adapt than they would be if we deliberately undermined the economy.

The fact that deniers are reduced to suggesting this teenager, and a few million others, were "exploited" in order to promote their ideology is more a statement about the intellectual bankruptcy of the deniers than those who have the temerity to question the reasons this young lady chose to put herself on a media pedestal.
No amount of wailing and gnashing of teeth will change the reality that the environment is being seriously harmed by fossil fuels. The economy can and will evolve to support renewables just as it did to support burning fossils.
And here's one little takeaway for ya, there is a last barrel of sludge down there and we will look pretty stupid if we wait until we pull that last one out and stand around going "well now what, I'm cold?
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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #44 on: September 26, 2019, 10:24:28 pm »
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-on-climate-change-humanity-is-not-evil/
The fact that alarmists are reduced to exploiting a teenager in order to promote their ideology is more a statement about the intellectual bankruptcy of the alarmists than those who have the temerity to question the reasons for putting such person on a media pedestal.

Lack of intellectual honesty is a huge problem in this debate. We are not going to reduce emissions significantly as long as human population is rising (certainly not to the zero claimed to be necessary to stave off disaster). No amount of wailing and nashing of teeth will change this reality. The only real choice is whether we choose to severely damage our economy in a futile attempt to reduce CO2 emissions or do we simply stop worrying about it and deal with the consequences as best as we are able (consequences that we have to deal with no matter what effort is put into emission reductions). The latter is the best gift we can give to future generations because they will be richer and better able to adapt than they would be if we deliberately undermined the economy.

The fact deniers will blow off the concerns of the young just because they are young is very sad reflection on them. The idea that we should do nothing to try and mitigate the effects of human caused warming and just deal with the consequences without any evidence that we will be able to, is nothing more than blind faith.
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