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Offline Boges

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Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« on: September 23, 2019, 11:03:52 am »
I'm going to let you guys do the research on Miss Thunberg. But she's the Autistic Swedish teenager who's been touring the Northeast US lecturing people on the climate.

She really doesn't have any concrete suggestions. She just speaks in platitudes about how the world will end if we don't act and how her generation is being betrayed by the ones from the past.

https://news.sky.com/story/greta-thunberg-warns-world-leaders-that-change-is-coming-11817903

We have another thread about concrete things we can do to avoid "Climate Change". Realistic proposals on how to move away from Carbon. I think we mostly agree that it'll be a process unless we want to destroy world economies.

Sure there are deniers who put their head in the sand. But those voices are being largely isolated and ignored. Obviously the biggest threat is POTUS 45. But even he is swimming up streams and reversing laws just to show he's not Obama.

But back to Greta. Is this type of sensationalism helpful? Does she not recognize that the technological advances she's railing against allowed her to be born into such privilege that she can fear the Climate Crisis to the level she does? That her niche compromises to environmentalism are rather extreme and unrealistic for vast swaths of the world?

Some find her inspirational, I find her shrill and condescending. And condescending from an unearned spot.

Young people can be idealistic, because they've never actually faced the realities on an adult life.

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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2019, 11:08:01 am »
Meh.

The details aren't important.  She's an idealistic child who cares about the planet.

She has successfully occupied the news cycle for a few days.

I would prefer a smarter discussion, but this is where we are right now.
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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2019, 11:19:05 am »
More than a few days.  I feel sorry for the kid.  She gets up in New York and cries on the podium, and nobody gives a toss. 

Whoever is telling her she is making a difference should be ashamed of themselves.
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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2019, 12:43:04 pm »
Naw - she is making a 'difference' in terms of things being discussed and maybe some people becoming aware.  It's her cause and she has picked a tough one so good for her.

Anyone who mocks her emotionality, though, should be forced to read a year's worth of angry rightista snowflakes post that are written about the GLOBALIST SCAM ALL CAPS.
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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2019, 12:48:55 pm »
Naw - she is making a 'difference' in terms of things being discussed and maybe some people becoming aware.  It's her cause and she has picked a tough one so good for her.

Anyone who mocks her emotionality, though, should be forced to read a year's worth of angry rightista snowflakes post that are written about the GLOBALIST SCAM ALL CAPS.

I don't see how she has changed the discussion.  The discussion has been going on for years.  Awareness has not been a problem for a couple of decades now.  We are all aware.
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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2019, 12:50:52 pm »
Naw - she is making a 'difference' in terms of things being discussed and maybe some people becoming aware.  It's her cause and she has picked a tough one so good for her.

Anyone who mocks her emotionality, though, should be forced to read a year's worth of angry rightista snowflakes post that are written about the GLOBALIST SCAM ALL CAPS.

She can't have it both ways. She can't hold modern civilization in contempt and feel she can avoid criticism. I don't think she shows any real level of maturity. She's making, not getting her way on Climate change, into an international temper tantrum.

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« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2019, 01:25:02 pm »
I don't see how she has changed the discussion.  The discussion has been going on for years.  Awareness has not been a problem for a couple of decades now.  We are all aware.

She hasn't changed the discussion, she is just adding awareness.  That is 'making a difference', at least arguably.

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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2019, 01:27:23 pm »
1. She can't have it both ways. She can't hold modern civilization in contempt and feel she can avoid criticism.

2. I don't think she shows any real level of maturity. She's making, not getting her way on Climate change, into an international temper tantrum.
1. Does she think she's above criticism ?  Too bad, as she will be picked apart and harassed her whole life from now on.

2. Ok, well.... that's the criticism then.  A 16-year old is immature.  Also, the nations of the world are not acting on climate change.  I will prioritize #2 as an issue. 

But anybody can feel free to criticize her, that's fine with me.  "She's immature".  Ok then.  Noted.
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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2019, 01:32:11 pm »
She can't have it both ways. She can't hold modern civilization in contempt and feel she can avoid criticism. I don't think she shows any real level of maturity. She's making, not getting her way on Climate change, into an international temper tantrum.

Well her so called temper tantrum did draw millions of supporters out around the world for the Global Climate Strike/March recently, so I would say she is making some way. Yep, she's just a kid with no real power but events such as this get people talking, and thinking. And there is ample evidence of climate change available for people who do have some power to look into.
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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2019, 02:08:04 pm »
It's great when young people get involved in issues like this.  She's a leader for youth all over the world.  She's 16 and is autistic.  Did you expect her to make Obama-like speeches? 

Young people should be calling for action on climate change from governments.  And they will be voters in a couple years, if they get excited enough about an issue. 

Or do people prefer youth to be boring and apathetic so they won't bother voting? 
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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2019, 02:38:53 pm »
Well her so called temper tantrum did draw millions of supporters out around the world for the Global Climate Strike/March recently, so I would say she is making some way. Yep, she's just a kid with no real power but events such as this get people talking, and thinking. And there is ample evidence of climate change available for people who do have some power to look into.

Again, I'm not denying Climate change nor am I denying something to be done. But basically holding society in contempt is not a productive way to start a dialogue.

She's certainly not letting details and ideas get in the way of her indignation.
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« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2019, 02:56:54 pm »
Again, I'm not denying Climate change nor am I denying something to be done. But basically holding society in contempt is not a productive way to start a dialogue.

She's certainly not letting details and idea get in the way of her indignation.

Yea she may have been a bit too heavy on the indignation approach, but she also had some facts and figures she had researched. And again, the overall effort may actually help get something done.

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« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2019, 03:00:17 pm »
Yea she may have been a bit too heavy on the indignation approach, but she also had some facts and figures she had researched. And again, the overall effort may actually help get something done.

Not in the US with 45 in charge.

The changes need to be grassroots based. And I think we're already seeing progressed there. We don't want governments telling us to buy fuel efficient cars or to eat less meat, but it we see it may be in our best interests we will.

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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2019, 03:58:33 pm »
I think there needs to be more indignation.  Remind the boomers how much their grandchildren will despise them once they're gone and the chickens come home to roost.
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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2019, 05:21:05 pm »
I think there needs to be more indignation. 

It was funny watching her expression change when Trump walked past.  If looks could kill...
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