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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #75 on: September 28, 2019, 02:24:59 pm »
the "economic model" we have today is a result of centuries of trial error to determine the best compromise.

The model that failed drastically in 1929, and the one those with money have been lobbying for and slowly returning to for the past 50 years.
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« Reply #76 on: September 28, 2019, 02:34:06 pm »
Except there is no evidence to support this assertion. Societies with a rules based economic system that allow the accumulation of private wealth provide better for all people in society. Even if you you want to cherry pick a few statistics they are not going to change the fact that the "economic model" we have today is a result of centuries of trial error to determine the best compromise. Nor is anyone arguing that the model does not have to continue to be tweaked as time goes on which makes it very different from pure religion of climate alarmists that insist that policies which can't work must be adopted to save us from problems that we can't measure or predict with any meaningful certainty.

Here is one of those statistics which should show you that the accumulation of private wealth does NOT provide better for all people when in the US the top 1% own 40% of the nations wealth while the bottom 80% own 7%, and the income gap between the top 10% and the middle class is over 1000%.
Those are 2014 stats and the gaps continue to widen.
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« Reply #77 on: September 28, 2019, 06:22:10 pm »
You should maybe STFU and pay attention to the ~97% of professionally educated climate scientists who agree global warming is a real issue, supported by actual data.

1.  I do agree with the mainstream view that AGW is a real issue, i never denied that, so not sure why you're even bringing that up.  My point was that I don't really care that much what a teenager activist has to say on the subject since she has no expertise and probably hasn't even looked at much of the actual science in academic journals etc.  She isn't saying anything that isn't reported everyday in the media.
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« Reply #78 on: September 28, 2019, 07:02:27 pm »
What kind of action?  Extinction Rebellion had a plan to shut down Heathrow using drones.  Is that the kind of thing you think will help?
Probably too little too late - a mere stunt. I was fantasizing more along the lines of so-called 'fire sale' hacker attacks against entire countries dedicating themselves to turning up the heat and 9/11 scale strikes against CO2 producing infrastructure. We're going over a cliff anyway so why not go out with a bang?

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« Reply #79 on: September 28, 2019, 08:01:46 pm »
1.  I do agree with the mainstream view that AGW is a real issue, i never denied that, so not sure why you're even bringing that up.  My point was that I don't really care that much what a teenager activist has to say on the subject since she has no expertise and probably hasn't even looked at much of the actual science in academic journals etc.  She isn't saying anything that isn't reported everyday in the media.

The real point is not so much that she may not have read all the academic journals you speak of (have you)? but rather that she, and a few million others like her from ~185 countries around the world who will be inheriting the planet before too long, we want some serious action instead of just what we hear in the media everyday.

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« Reply #80 on: September 28, 2019, 08:55:34 pm »
Probably too little too late - a mere stunt. I was fantasizing more along the lines of so-called 'fire sale' hacker attacks against entire countries dedicating themselves to turning up the heat and 9/11 scale strikes against CO2 producing infrastructure. We're going over a cliff anyway so why not go out with a bang?

I'm not familiar with 'fire sale' hacker attacks but if  they end up reducing the population they can only help.
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« Reply #81 on: September 28, 2019, 10:56:54 pm »
The real point is not so much that she may not have read all the academic journals you speak of (have you)? but rather that she, and a few million others like her from ~185 countries around the world who will be inheriting the planet before too long, we want some serious action instead of just what we hear in the media everyday.

I am not a climate expert, neither are you nor Greta nor most people.  Nobody should care much at all what I have to say about AGW, same with Greta, that's my point.  But she's entitled to her opinion of course, as we all are.

A lot of people want action on climate change, including myself.  These young people have a right to protest.  Young people also tend to be idealistic.  It's great to care about the environment, but when they don't fully understand the economics of it you get crazy & naive proposals like the Green New Deal.  That's why you need to leave these things to the experts, not the activists.

Of course, most environmental activist are younger.  That's why Elizabeth May wants to lower the voting age to 16 federally as a campaign promise, so she and her party can get more votes and more political power.  But like Greta, most 16 year old don't know what they're talking about, and the typical 16 y/o today is more immature with less responsibility than at any other point in human history.  Most 16 y/o will only regurgitate what their parents, teachers, friends, and pop culture media tell them, and have yet to learn to think for themselves.  When I was 16 when i picked up the newspaper I only read the Sports and comic-strip sections mostly.
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« Reply #82 on: September 28, 2019, 11:12:01 pm »
I am not a climate expert, neither are you nor Greta nor most people.  Nobody should care much at all what I have to say about AGW, same with Greta, that's my point.  But she's entitled to her opinion of course, as we all are.

A lot of people want action on climate change, including myself.  These young people have a right to protest.  Young people also tend to be idealistic.  It's great to care about the environment, but when they don't fully understand the economics of it you get crazy & naive proposals like the Green New Deal.  That's why you need to leave these things to the experts, not the activists.

Of course, most environmental activist are younger.  That's why Elizabeth May wants to lower the voting age to 16 federally as a campaign promise, so she and her party can get more votes and more political power.  But like Greta, most 16 year old don't know what they're talking about, and the typical 16 y/o today is more immature with less responsibility than at any other point in human history.  Most 16 y/o will only regurgitate what their parents, teachers, friends, and pop culture media tell them, and have yet to learn to think for themselves.  When I was 16 when i picked up the newspaper I only read the Sports and comic-strip sections mostly.

We've all seen/heard how Trump "leaves things to the experts" on this issue as you suggest, he says they are all (97% of the worlds experts) are basically full of shyte and he knows better. So what I hear you saying is Trump is not more mature than a ~16 year old. I would agree.

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« Reply #83 on: September 29, 2019, 02:15:04 pm »
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I am not a climate expert, neither are you nor Greta nor most people.  Nobody should care much at all what I have to say about AGW, same with Greta, that's my point.  But she's entitled to her opinion of course, as we all are.

A lot of people want action on climate change, including myself.  These young people have a right to protest.  Young people also tend to be idealistic.  It's great to care about the environment, but when they don't fully understand the economics of it you get crazy & naive proposals like the Green New Deal.  That's why you need to leave these things to the experts, not the activists.

Of course, most environmental activist are younger.  That's why Elizabeth May wants to lower the voting age to 16 federally as a campaign promise, so she and her party can get more votes and more political power.  But like Greta, most 16 year old don't know what they're talking about, and the typical 16 y/o today is more immature with less responsibility than at any other point in human history.  Most 16 y/o will only regurgitate what their parents, teachers, friends, and pop culture media tell them, and have yet to learn to think for themselves.  When I was 16 when i picked up the newspaper I only read the Sports and comic-strip sections mostly.

Greta Thunberg has created a worldwide student strike, a movement of youth. That's her brilliance, persistence and determination, and it's very welcome.

And obviously she's frightened the right wing fossils, who are unleashing their trolls to try to hurt and dissuade her. Oh well. Lol

Anyone who really does understand "the economics" would understand that addressing climate change necessarily means changing the economic system: Our economic system that requires constant growth simply is a failure that cannot be sustained.

Youth have shown that they have an understanding of how their futures will be compromised by maintaining current systems, and they are, in their millions, letting us know it isn't good enough.

I think they should be able to have their voices heard through voting too.

We have a particularly unresponsive local government, and few (only the newbies) turned out for the climate strike. The youth wouldn't tolerate that. They marched right into City Hall and pounded on meeting room doors until they rousted the Mayor and Councillors.  Lol

I love these kids. They're smart and they tolerate no nonsense. If anybody can hammer this thing into shape, they can.

Greta is inspirational. That's her brilliance.

Angry and rich old white men got us where we are.
The earth and survival are in danger.
Women and children are going to lead now.
So step aside.   Lol

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« Reply #84 on: September 29, 2019, 05:38:31 pm »
Women and children are going to lead now.
So step aside.   Lol

So the times they are a changing, eh?  Well, that's a relief.  I was starting to get worried.

I was wondering though, do you think you could look after the whole plastics thing while you're fixing climate change?  Or after you've finished, if you're pushed for time.

Because that would be really nice.  It's quite a concern.
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« Reply #85 on: September 29, 2019, 07:17:12 pm »
We've all seen/heard how Trump "leaves things to the experts" on this issue as you suggest, he says they are all (97% of the worlds experts) are basically full of shyte and he knows better. So what I hear you saying is Trump is not more mature than a ~16 year old. I would agree.

If Trump doesn't believe in AGW then he's willfully ignorant of the science.  But again, neither Trump nor Greta have enough expertise to make substantive claims about climate change. That Trump doesn't listen to the broad climate science community he's a fool.

I guess Greta is more a symbol of a movement more than anything.
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« Reply #86 on: September 29, 2019, 08:26:12 pm »
If Trump doesn't believe in AGW then he's willfully ignorant of the science.  But again, neither Trump nor Greta have enough expertise to make substantive claims about climate change. That Trump doesn't listen to the broad climate science community he's a fool.

I guess Greta is more a symbol of a movement more than anything.

Trump has expressed a number of times he doesn't believe in climate change. And as you say, it could be due to willful ignorance. Or it could be just plain ignorance. At least Greta is trying to work toward getting people to look into it.

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« Reply #87 on: September 29, 2019, 08:30:45 pm »
Here's something: a moderate approach, such as a Carbon Tax or cap-and-trade may actually work.  And it's not much to do.


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« Reply #88 on: September 29, 2019, 09:47:29 pm »
Here's something: a moderate approach, such as a Carbon Tax or cap-and-trade may actually work.  And it's not much to do.

Why do you want to destroy Canada?
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« Reply #89 on: September 30, 2019, 08:45:45 am »
Why do you want to destroy Canada?

I am bored.
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