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Offline cybercoma

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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #60 on: September 27, 2019, 10:56:23 am »
Except I am not. Nowhere did I say we could not reduce emissions at all.
Then we're all on the same page. Something needs to be done and now, since (as you say) it will take many decades to fix.

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« Reply #61 on: September 27, 2019, 12:37:39 pm »
Then we're all on the same page. Something needs to be done and now, since (as you say) it will take many decades to fix.

I think most of us are on the same page. But when "DO SOMETHING!" means eliminating the Airline and Meat Industries, people are like, naw, I'll pass on that.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/greta-thunberg-s-four-simple-steps-to-combat-climate-change-1.4613253

People are reducing their emissions by buying fuel efficient cars and having efficient appliances. I just got a new house this year. I hadn't paid utilities since around 2014/15.

I actually pay less now (on gas and hydro) than I did then, and I'm certain the price isn't less. It must be because I have a smart thermostat and more modern appliances.

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« Reply #62 on: September 27, 2019, 01:51:00 pm »
Yes, and I'm sure those kids will be happy with the prospect of a world were travel is impossible, that food is restricted to low carbon options and electricity is prohibitively expensive.

Gotta love millenials that love to travel to Southeast Asia complaining that adults drive to work.

The trouble with you guys is you continually claim it is all or nothing. That is nonsense. The more we do to mitigate the problem means the less we will have to do to cope with the consequences. You just want to drive the car into the ground and wait till it craps out before you do any maintenance on it.

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« Reply #63 on: September 27, 2019, 01:58:42 pm »
The trouble with you guys is you continually claim it is all or nothing. That is nonsense. The more we do to mitigate the problem means the less we will have to do to cope with the consequences. You just want to drive the car into the ground and wait till it craps out before you do any maintenance on it.

I'm not calling for all or nothing solutions. I think technological advances could and should save us. We just have to be open to them.

It's the likes of Greta that is. She refused to fly to North America. She doesn't eat anything but grains.

I'll give her credit, she walks the walk, but it's a lot easier to be that idealistic like then when you're 16.

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« Reply #64 on: September 27, 2019, 02:19:53 pm »
I think most of us are on the same page. But when "DO SOMETHING!" means eliminating the Airline and Meat Industries, people are like, naw, I'll pass on that.

Don't fret, I doubt air travel will be taken away from you anytime soon but aircraft manufacturers are putting a lot effort/money into developing much more fuel efficient engines and airframes. as far as the meat goes though, the consumption has gone through the roof these days and you can't get a more inefficient way of producing protein for humans. Biodiversity is being reduced as forests are mowed down to provide pasture land, and production actually creates global food shortages as half the soybeans in the world go to feed animals which will end up in western supermarkets. Not to mention that the burps and farts that come out of them produce more green house gases than all the cars in the world. Maybe we can design a more efficient cow. 


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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #65 on: September 27, 2019, 02:34:00 pm »
Then we're all on the same page. Something needs to be done and now, since (as you say) it will take many decades to fix.
We cannot have a sane policy on climate emissions as long as posturing know-nothings like saint greta are treated as if they have something useful to say. Emissions reductions are not under the control of governments. They depend on tech which does not really exist yet and no one knows if/when that tech will appear. The most governments can do is ensure there are no barriers to adoption. Any government that makes promises to reduce emissions by X by such as such a date is going to waste resources. It is this waste that I object to. Get rid of emission reduction targets and renewable mandates and I would be fine with a carbon tax.
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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #66 on: September 27, 2019, 02:37:00 pm »
I'll give her credit, she walks the walk, but it's a lot easier to be that idealistic like then when you're 16.
Of course getting her her here required a crew of people who flew back across the Atlantic after sailing her here. This is a perfect example of how pretentious know-nothings waste resources because they can't think logically and consider the big picture.
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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #67 on: September 27, 2019, 03:33:59 pm »
We cannot have a sane policy on climate emissions as long as posturing know-nothings like saint greta are treated as if they have something useful to say. Emissions reductions are not under the control of governments. They depend on tech which does not really exist yet and no one knows if/when that tech will appear. The most governments can do is ensure there are no barriers to adoption. Any government that makes promises to reduce emissions by X by such as such a date is going to waste resources. It is this waste that I object to. Get rid of emission reduction targets and renewable mandates and I would be fine with a carbon tax.

So your plan seems to be to ignore the science, that way we don't need any plans to deal with it, and just throw our hands in the air and hope the issue goes away by itself. Why would you agree to pay a carbon tax within that scenario?

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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #68 on: September 27, 2019, 04:01:52 pm »
However, the government has no business using tax dollars or regulations to promote Christianity, Islam, Climate Change Alarmism or any other religion simply because a subset of the population adheres to it.

You are right the governments have wasted billions promoting artificial economic models that hurt the majority. The religion of debt based expansionism works great for a very minor subset of the population, eg. the 3 individuals in the US that own as much as the bottom 50%. Nobody, I repeat nobody, no matter how hard they work or how blue their blood is deserves 50 million times what someone else does. The economic religion is the garbage that needs to be thrown out, and any politician that promotes it needs to be convicted of treason against the people.


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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #69 on: September 27, 2019, 04:07:17 pm »
There's a new Documentary on Netflix about Bill Gates and how, in his post Microsoft life, he likes to try and solve the world's problems.

Apparently 5 years ago he was able to build a very safe nuclear reactor that runs on spent uranium that already exists.

Yes, I have one of those in my basement, along with my cold fusion reactor, and several perpetual motion machines.

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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #70 on: September 28, 2019, 12:48:03 am »
Of course getting her her here required a crew of people who flew back across the Atlantic after sailing her here. This is a perfect example of how pretentious know-nothings waste resources because they can't think logically and consider the big picture.

You know for a fact they just flew back?
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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #71 on: September 28, 2019, 07:41:54 am »
You know for a fact they just flew back?
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/aug/28/greta-thunberg-arrival-in-new-york-delayed-by-rough-seas

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Her voyage sparked controversy, however, after a spokesman for Herrmann, the yacht’s co-skipper, told the Berlin newspaper TAZ that several people would fly into New York to take the yacht back to Europe.

Herrmann will also return by plane, according to the spokesman.
As with everything related to greta it is nothing but hypocritical posturing. Someone who actually cared about CO2 emissions and capable of rational thinking would have understood that one round trip flight for greta would have used  fewer emissions.

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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #72 on: September 28, 2019, 07:48:41 am »
You are right the governments have wasted billions promoting artificial economic models that hurt the majority.
Except there is no evidence to support this assertion. Societies with a rules based economic system that allow the accumulation of private wealth provide better for all people in society. Even if you you want to cherry pick a few statistics they are not going to change the fact that the "economic model" we have today is a result of centuries of trial error to determine the best compromise. Nor is anyone arguing that the model does not have to continue to be tweaked as time goes on which makes it very different from pure religion of climate alarmists that insist that policies which can't work must be adopted to save us from problems that we can't measure or predict with any meaningful certainty.


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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #73 on: September 28, 2019, 01:13:14 pm »
She's making, not getting her way on Climate change, into an international temper tantrum.
If that temper turns into real anger and even rage and it inspires activists to take action agaisnt people who oppose action against climate change then Thunberg wil have accomplished something.

AFAIC deniers need to be shut down completely. They're the real threat.

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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #74 on: September 28, 2019, 02:03:20 pm »
If that temper turns into real anger and even rage and it inspires activists to take action agaisnt people who oppose action against climate change then Thunberg wil have accomplished something.

AFAIC deniers need to be shut down completely. They're the real threat.

What kind of action?  Extinction Rebellion had a plan to shut down Heathrow using drones.  Is that the kind of thing you think will help?
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