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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #45 on: September 27, 2019, 12:15:15 am »
The fact deniers will blow off the concerns of the young just because they are young is very sad reflection on them. The idea that we should do nothing to try and mitigate the effects of human caused warming and just deal with the consequences without any evidence that we will be able to, is nothing more than blind faith.
And where is your evidence that "doing something" will actually help? You have nothing but blind faith.  Anyone who sits down and does the math when it comes to the energy our society needs to function and the technology available to us can only come to the conclusion that "doing something" is futile given the alleged time frames. The only rational course of action is preserve our resources and adapt because that is what we will end up doing anyways. But instead of thinking rationally about the choices we really have you want to pretend we have choices we don't and you want to force other people to spend their time and resources on pointless exercises that do nothing but make you feel better about yourself. What incredible selfishness! If you want to reduce CO2 emissions then make your own choices and spend your own money. Leave people who do not share your futile need to "do something" out of it. i.e. keep your religion to yourself.
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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #46 on: September 27, 2019, 12:27:56 am »
And where is your evidence that "doing something" will actually help? You have nothing but blind faith.  Anyone who sits down and does the math when it comes to the energy our society needs to function and the technology available to us can only come to the conclusion that "doing something" is futile given the alleged time frames. The only rational course of action is preserve our resources and adapt because that is what we will end up doing anyways. But instead of thinking rationally about the choices we really have you want to pretend we have choices we don't and you want to force other people to spend their time and resources on pointless exercises that do nothing but make you feel better about yourself. What incredible selfishness! If you want to reduce CO2 emissions then make your own choices and spend your own money. Leave people who do not share your futile need to "do something" out of it.

Wilber I'm sure, like all the rest of us, spend their own money paying taxes. Maybe we should divert those taxes toward renewable, healthy energy sources instead of using it to clean up abandoned oil wells. 

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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #47 on: September 27, 2019, 12:37:27 am »
Wilber I'm sure, like all the rest of us, spend their own money paying taxes. Maybe we should divert those taxes toward renewable, healthy energy sources instead of using it to clean up abandoned oil wells.
I don't care if Christians or Muslims spend their money on churches and mosques because they believe in imaginary things. However, the government has no business using tax dollars or regulations to promote Christianity, Islam, Climate Change Alarmism or any other religion simply because a subset of the population adheres to it.
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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #48 on: September 27, 2019, 12:52:08 am »
I don't care if Christians or Muslims spend their money on churches and mosques because they believe in imaginary things. However, the government has no business using tax dollars or regulations to promote Christianity, Islam, Climate Change Alarmism or any other religion simply because a subset of the population adheres to it.

Science isn't a religion. Air pollution isn't a religion. Global warming isn't a product of religion. But I'm not surprised you would flail around trying to make that connection.

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« Reply #49 on: September 27, 2019, 12:55:36 am »
Science isn't a religion. Air pollution isn't a religion. Global warming isn't a product of religion.
Climate change is real enough. The belief that we can do anything about it given the technology and economic resources currently available is a religion. Learn the difference.

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« Reply #50 on: September 27, 2019, 01:01:08 am »
Climate change is real enough. The belief that we can do anything about it given the technology and economic resources currently available is a religion. Learn the difference.

I just pointed out the difference to you. Did god tell you we must burn up all the fossil fuels before we wake up?

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« Reply #51 on: September 27, 2019, 01:04:26 am »
I just pointed out the difference to you. Did god tell you we must burn up all the fossil fuels before we wake up?
There is no science that says we can do anything meaningful about CO2 emissions in the time frames being discussed (10-30 years). In fact the science supports my view that we can only nibble at the margins. If you cared about science you would understand that. But climate change is not a science to you. It is a religion and I am an infidel that must be forced to submit.

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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #52 on: September 27, 2019, 01:11:43 am »
There is no science that says we can do anything meaningful about CO2 emissions in the time frames being discussed (10-30 years). In fact the science supports my view that we can only nibble at the margins. If you cared about science you would understand that. But climate change is not a science to you. It is a religion and I am an infidel that must be forced to submit.

You've got it backwards as to who succumbs to "religion", and I suspect you cherry pick your science. Have you looked lately at how much arctic ice has melted? The st. photos wouldn't require you have a lot of scientific knowledge. 

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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #53 on: September 27, 2019, 01:22:27 am »
You've got it backwards as to who succumbs to "religion", and I suspect you cherry pick your science. Have you looked lately at how much arctic ice has melted? The st. photos wouldn't require you have a lot of scientific knowledge.
Huh? That has nothing to do with my argument. I am not claiming that the planet is not getting warmer nor I am claiming that CO2 is not an issue. I am saying that we have no economically viable technology that can do anything significant about CO2 emissions over the next 10-30 years so people claiming we can reduce emissions by 50%-100% in that timeframe are delusional nutbars that are basing their belief on a religion.
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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #54 on: September 27, 2019, 07:29:06 am »
Sounds like you're subscribing to the "we can't do anything at all" religion to me.

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« Reply #55 on: September 27, 2019, 07:58:36 am »
Sounds like you're subscribing to the "we can't do anything at all" religion to me.
Except I am not. Nowhere did I say we could not reduce emissions at all. What I said is we cannot possibly do it at the rate being demanded by clueless alarmists. This means that we will either be faced with a massive adaption problem which will be made harder if we deny ourselves access to the tools needed to adapt (i.e. low cost energy) or the alarmists are wrong and there is no reason to panic. There is no situation where aggressive reduction policies will accomplish anything useful and people pushing them despite the evidence that they cannot work are religious zealots that should be keeping their religion to themselves.

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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #56 on: September 27, 2019, 08:52:54 am »
There's a new Documentary on Netflix about Bill Gates and how, in his post Microsoft life, he likes to try and solve the world's problems.

Apparently 5 years ago he was able to build a very safe nuclear reactor that runs on spent uranium that already exists.

A technical solution that could help cut emissions drastically. But because of Trump's China Trade war and the fact that people still think Nuclear Power is the devil, the plan has been shelved.

There aren't enough batteries in the world to store the power that solar and wind creates. You still need fossil fuels to support those forms of technology and they take a huge portion of land.

Basically people who "want something done!!!" only seem to want to talk about Carbon pricing and renewables.

Both are unworkable in today's economy.

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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #57 on: September 27, 2019, 09:21:16 am »
And where is your evidence that "doing something" will actually help? You have nothing but blind faith.  Anyone who sits down and does the math when it comes to the energy our society needs to function and the technology available to us can only come to the conclusion that "doing something" is futile given the alleged time frames. The only rational course of action is preserve our resources and adapt because that is what we will end up doing anyways. But instead of thinking rationally about the choices we really have you want to pretend we have choices we don't and you want to force other people to spend their time and resources on pointless exercises that do nothing but make you feel better about yourself. What incredible selfishness! If you want to reduce CO2 emissions then make your own choices and spend your own money. Leave people who do not share your futile need to "do something" out of it. i.e. keep your religion to yourself.

How are you so certain you know what we will have to deal with and whether we will be able to. You are relying on no more but blind faith. Preserve what resources, you donít even know what you will need or whether it will even exist. You must also think dealing with the results of drug addiction is preferable to dealing with its causes.
Donít call me selfish, you just want to continue living as you are, leaving the mess to those kids you respect so little. They arenít having it.
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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #58 on: September 27, 2019, 09:40:25 am »
Donít call me selfish, you just want to continue living as you are, leaving the mess to those kids you respect so little. They arenít having it.

Yes, and I'm sure those kids will be happy with the prospect of a world were travel is impossible, that food is restricted to low carbon options and electricity is prohibitively expensive.

Gotta love millenials that love to travel to Southeast Asia complaining that adults drive to work.

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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #59 on: September 27, 2019, 10:54:33 am »
There is no science that says we can do anything meaningful about CO2 emissions in the time frames being discussed (10-30 years).
No one:

TimG: If we can't reverse climate change completely in 10 years, we should do nothing at all!
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