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Offline JBG

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Global Darkening Crisis
« on: December 22, 2017, 08:26:33 pm »
Global loss of daylight can be added to the list of the world's serious problems. People don't take it seriously but if things keep going this way we won't ever have sunshine and natural light again. Solar power will be crippled, forcing recourse to fossil fuels and worsening the greenhouse effect and AGW.

This little-noticed but highly dangerous problem has been developing for at least five months or so, probably longer. I have confirmed this by emails to friends in Canada, Poland and the UK.

Just as an example, where I live, near New York City, we have dropped from over 15 hours of daylight to just over 9 hours in recent months. An effort was made back in early November to stop the trend. This has worked for the mornings, temporarily but been counterproductive at night.

At the very least the U.N. must get involved. We cannot go on destroying the earth and not caring.
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Re: Global Darkening Crisis
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2017, 08:32:04 pm »
Global loss of daylight can be added to the list of the world's serious problems. People don't take it seriously but if things keep going this way we won't ever have sunshine and natural light again. Solar power will be crippled, forcing recourse to fossil fuels and worsening the greenhouse effect and AGW.

This little-noticed but highly dangerous problem has been developing for at least five months or so, probably longer. I have confirmed this by emails to friends in Canada, Poland and the UK.

Just as an example, where I live, near New York City, we have dropped from over 15 hours of daylight to just over 9 hours in recent months. An effort was made back in early November to stop the trend. This has worked for the mornings, temporarily but been counterproductive at night.

At the very least the U.N. must get involved. We cannot go on destroying the earth and not caring.

And where went all this sunlight?

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Re: Global Darkening Crisis
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2017, 08:56:40 pm »
And where went all this sunlight?
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Re: Global Darkening Crisis
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2017, 11:02:45 pm »
I can confirm that today, for the first time in several months, there was reported a very small net gain in daylight.  Scientists have relabeled the "global darkening" phenomenon as "sunshine change".
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« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2017, 11:27:32 pm »
I can confirm that today, for the first time in several months, there was reported a very small net gain in daylight.  Scientists have relabeled the "global darkening" phenomenon as "sunshine change".

Actually that was yesterday and it has already been named. It's called "Solstice".

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« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2017, 01:24:39 am »
And I shall label this thread "fuckin' retarded".

Climate-change deniers are always the first to shout "weather is not climate", yet they're also the first to say that it was unseasonably cold in their part of the country that day as if that were evidence that climate change isn't real.

My parents took me and my little brother to the Alberta Rockies when we were little kids, and I saw the Columbia Icefields first hand at the time. And now seeing them 30 years later having receded so far from where they used to be... that's hundreds of millions, or maybe billions, of tons of ice that have vanished in a span of a few decades.  That's not a cold day or two, that's a vast and sustained change that I've seen with my own eyes within my own short lifetime.

If you live in Westchester New York and have never seen a glacier in person perhaps the whole concept is completely abstract to you.  I can assure you, it's not.


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Re: Global Darkening Crisis
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2017, 02:33:16 am »
My parents took me and my little brother to the Alberta Rockies when we were little kids, and I saw the Columbia Icefields first hand at the time. And now seeing them 30 years later having receded so far from where they used to be... that's hundreds of millions, or maybe billions, of tons of ice that have vanished in a span of a few decades.  That's not a cold day or two, that's a vast and sustained change that I've seen with my own eyes within my own short lifetime.
So? Glaciers have been retreating for 200 years. Only the last 50 can be plausibly connected to CO2. More importantly there is evidence that glaciers retreated 1000 years ago and again 2000 years ago which suggests that some sort of "weather" exists at time scales greater than 1 year. Now there is some evidence that the current retreat is greater than past retreats but that does not negate the possibility that whatever effects humans are having it is superimposed on natural cycles which the earth is subject to. This makes impossible to quantify how much of the observations can be attributed to CO2 vs how much would have occurred no matter what.

Your kind of lazy correlation analysis is what the OP was trying to satirize. I find it ironic that you missed it.
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« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2017, 07:47:55 am »
Kimmy's error is subordinate, though, to the retardedness of this thread.

Our problems would be fewer if conservatives called out retards as easily as liberals call out 911 conspiratards.

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« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2017, 09:22:12 am »
Our problems would be fewer if conservatives called out retards as easily as liberals call out 911 conspiratards.
What's to call out? The op is clearly satire.
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« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2017, 10:20:16 am »
You can still call it out.
 
Political satire has a point behind it.  The point here is invalid.

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« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2017, 11:33:14 am »
So? Glaciers have been retreating for 200 years. Only the last 50 can be plausibly connected to CO2. More importantly there is evidence that glaciers retreated 1000 years ago and again 2000 years ago which suggests that some sort of "weather" exists at time scales greater than 1 year. Now there is some evidence that the current retreat is greater than past retreats but that does not negate the possibility that whatever effects humans are having it is superimposed on natural cycles which the earth is subject to. This makes impossible to quantify how much of the observations can be attributed to CO2 vs how much would have occurred no matter what.

Your kind of lazy correlation analysis is what the OP was trying to satirize. I find it ironic that you missed it.

your "correlation analysis" is... predictable - ever grasping for a global Medieval Period, one with global temperature impact, where global temperatures were as warm as/warmer than today's relatively recent post-industrial age period --- ever insinuating the causes of Medieval warming were the same as those causing late 20th century warming. It's all natural cycles - nothing to see here, move along now!

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« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2017, 12:48:50 pm »
none with global temperature impact, where global temperatures were as warm as/warmer than today's relatively recent post-industrial age period
A claim that has nothing but blind faith in dubious correlation based proxy analysis to support it. Sometimes the only acceptable answer is "we don't/can't know".

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« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2017, 01:47:41 pm »
A claim that has nothing but blind faith in dubious correlation based proxy analysis to support it. Sometimes the only acceptable answer is "we don't/can't know".

uhhh... do those who posture for a global temperature impacting MWP do so with your sometimes and most selectively attributed, "we don't/can't know", uncertainty?  ;D

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« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2017, 04:06:22 pm »
It's satire everyone lighten up.  Nobody here is a climate scientist as far as i know so i literally dont give a **** about anyone's half-informed opinion.

Except for jbg who is a daylight lawyer.
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Re: Global Darkening Crisis
« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2017, 04:35:02 pm »
A claim that has nothing but blind faith in dubious correlation based proxy analysis to support it. Sometimes the only acceptable answer is "we don't/can't know".
correlation-based proxy analysis, eh? So much for words having meaning.