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It is not. Your argument is like the bank robber claiming he should get away with the crime because someone else murdered.

Actually if you look at the activity within the UN, Israel is singled out far more than other countries who do terrible things.

His argument is more like why does the person who murdered 1 person get more condemnation than the person who murdered 3 people.
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Well, maybe some Arab states have kicked out all the Jews without any killing, i dunno.  Genocide vs ethnic cleaning, one is just killing to exterminate, the other is forceful removal that often includes killing.  Quebec tomorrow could say "let's kick out all the Muslims" and not kill any.  That would be ethnic cleansing too.

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First off one of the problems with such threads is no one takes the time to read the actual history of the political context for the disputes they express opinions on. If you had you would no more Jews were expelled out of Arab countries and forced to flee to Israel than any alleged Palestinians displaced.

Next you would know how many  Jews died, its there, its public knowledge.

Next if Israel as it is accused of, is a Nazi country involved in Genocide then someone explain why the Palestinian population reproduction  rate continues to grow and is far larger than the Jewish reproduction rate.

Next please point out the extermination camps and gas chambers. The last time I looked, the actual refugee camps were created by Arab nations not Israel and it is the Arab nations who host these camps that refuse to pay one penny to the camps for their up keeping and refuse to take in Palestinians from those camps as citizens.

The term ethnic cleansing is a term leftists coined in the ivory tower of a lecture hall in a university far removed from the reality of what creates refugees and what causes  civil wars and movement of people.
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https://www.ohchr.org/en/professionalinterest/pages/crimeofgenocide.aspx
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;

(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.


Ethnic cleansing is genocide.

Then why do you not use that wording to condemn what the Arab council did to Palestinians? Who do you think put them in their camps?

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Simple. The Jews have won every war they have fought against the Arabs.

Maybe we should look in the mirror, and ask ourselves the same question. After all, we did the same thing to our Aboriginal population.

Having lived in Israel and dug latrines let me tell you know one in Israel refers to their wars as "winning wars".

First off the war has never ended.

Secondly I think with the exception of a minority of Israelis, none things anyone has won anything.

When you live with a constant war you never think its won. That people do not get about Israel. Its a tiny nation. It will never feel secure as long as it is surrounded by terrorists and countries financing and supporting those terrorists and apologists in the West who find terrorists cute and cuddly and the trendy cause of the day.


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Gaza is officially part of the Palestinian state.

Depends who you ask. Hamas and the Palestinian Authority both call it part of the Palestinian State, but both do not recognize each other's Palestinian state. In fact both components no longer recognize each other's legitimacy to call any land a Palestinian state.

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Why didn't the Jews?  Why don't they now?

Here is the problem. If you have to ask why Jews returned to where they were originally born  and have always lived since they were first forced out what does that mean?

Do you really not know what happened to Jews in the Christian and Muslim diaspora?

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The way Jews are treated throughout Europe in regards to the Israel/Palestine issue, I sometimes wish Israel would legitimately go into the West Bank and kick all the Palestinians out.

There are a minority of what we call religious Zionists who believe they should claimi Judea and Samaria of the Bible as legitimately the land of Israel which is illegally occupied  and possessed by European colonialist created states and in the West Bank.

However the majority of Jews in Israel  and Zionists (because many are not Israeli or even Jewish)simply want a state living peacefully side by side Arab ones and would settle for defensible borders free of terrorist attacks and terror cells and nations engaged in a war to annihilate  Israel as a Jewish state.



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It is not. Your argument is like the bank robber claiming he should get away with the crime because someone else murdered.

No its not. Who you define as a robber is not. You just don't recognize the title of ownership of the person you call a robber because you apply a double standard as to who you think should own the title and think one side has a more legitimate claim to that title than the other.

You can't get over your entrenched sense of cultural superiority and therefore sense of arrogance and entitlement to decide who owns what. Here's a hint, the title of ownership being disputed will not be settled by people like you making arbitrary moral assumptions as to right and wrong.

In fact the only analogy would be to refer to you as someone who attends **** fights or pitbull fights and cheers for his designated animal. You still think you are at an arena cheering on slaves killing each other for the entertainment of your civilized empire.

This aint no WWE script.
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