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Expert Culture
« on: April 25, 2022, 09:54:57 am »
An interesting article on how some scientific agencies have modified their messaging techniques to deal with rural suspicion of experts.  The article tends to paint this as a 'new' thing but there's an old Western expression "god damn the CPR" and such.

I think that it also paints anti-intellectualism as an 'identity' but fails to identify urbanist liberal institutionalism as an 'identity', which it is.

In terms of whether this approach makes sense, I would say that if it achieves communication goals then it's worthwhile.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-being-anti-science-is-now-part-of-many-rural-americans-identity/

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Re: Expert Culture
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2022, 09:55:27 am »
The title doesn't actually express what the article is about entirely either.

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« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2022, 02:45:03 pm »
Wasn't sure where to drop this but this seemed as good a place as any:

The education culture war is raging. But for most parents, it's background noise


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But for most parents, these concerns seem to be far from top of mind. That's according to a new national poll by NPR and Ipsos. By wide margins and regardless of their political affiliation parents express satisfaction with their children's schools and what is being taught in them.

The nationally representative poll of 1,007 parents of school-aged children follows up on a similar survey NPR and Ipsos conducted about a year ago. In both polls, parents answered questions about the impact of the pandemic on their children, academically and socially, and about their schools' performance during this time.
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For decades, voters have expressed concern in polls about the state of K-12 education in the U.S. But when you zoom in closer, parents seem to like their own kids' school, and they like their kids' teachers even more.

That's true in the NPR/Ipsos poll as well. Parents named education as their top concern after inflation and crime/gun violence.

However, 88% of respondents agree "my child's teacher(s) have done the best they could, given the circumstances around the pandemic." And 82% agree "my child's school has handled the pandemic well."

That satisfaction extends to hot-button topics. In the poll, 76% of respondents agree that "my child's school does a good job keeping me informed about the curriculum, including potentially controversial topics."

I bet you'd see very similar results if you polled people on crime in their community: they'd tell you they feel safe but also that crime is a serious problem. Cognitive dissonance is a b*tch and the role propaganda plays in distorting people's perceptions of events outside their own bubbles needs to be reckoned with.
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Re: Expert Culture
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2022, 03:28:06 pm »
I don't think people are anti-science as much as they don't trust the experts.  These people are very skeptical of authority (unless its Donald Trump for some reason), which is where conspiracies often come from.  They believe the government isn't trustworthy because it has lied so many times, and it has extended to experts of all fields.

I don't have a problem with skepticism (being a sheep is bad) but some people are not educated enough to tell what is good vs bad info, which isn't really their fault.  They just have been burned by the government and experts before and so they have their guard up to high levels to the point of paranoia.
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« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2022, 05:40:22 pm »
I don't think people are anti-science as much as they don't trust the experts.  These people are very skeptical of authority (unless its Donald Trump for some reason), which is where conspiracies often come from.  They believe the government isn't trustworthy because it has lied so many times, and it has extended to experts of all fields.

I don't have a problem with skepticism (being a sheep is bad) but some people are not educated enough to tell what is good vs bad info, which isn't really their fault. They just have been burned by the government and experts before and so they have their guard up to high levels to the point of paranoia.

They have? When?
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« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2022, 06:00:33 pm »
I don't think people are anti-science as much as they don't trust the experts.  These people are very skeptical of authority (unless its Donald Trump for some reason), which is where conspiracies often come from.  They believe the government isn't trustworthy because it has lied so many times, and it has extended to experts of all fields.

I don't have a problem with skepticism (being a sheep is bad) but some people are not educated enough to tell what is good vs bad info, which isn't really their fault.  They just have been burned by the government and experts before and so they have their guard up to high levels to the point of paranoia.

They are lied to by sensationalist media and populist demagogues and they don't trust "authority".

So weird...

They have been burned but they often own homes, have jobs, and enjoyable lives even retirement despite being as dumb as a brick.

So weird...

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« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2022, 03:40:44 pm »
They are lied to by sensationalist media and populist demagogues and they don't trust "authority".

So weird...

They have been burned but they often own homes, have jobs, and enjoyable lives even retirement despite being as dumb as a brick.

So weird...

Yeah the idea that people are skeptical of expertise because they've been lied to is absurd when you consider people love to be lied to! They don't care about what's true or false nearly as much as they care about being told what they want to hear.

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« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2022, 08:37:03 pm »
Yeah the idea that people are skeptical of expertise because they've been lied to is absurd when you consider people love to be lied to! They don't care about what's true or false nearly as much as they care about being told what they want to hear.

According to many academic studies the only non-ret@rded people left in North America are me, Bill Maher, and Bernie Sanders.
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« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2022, 09:36:52 am »
According to many academic studies the only non-ret@rded people left in North America are me, Bill Maher, and Bernie Sanders.

What did Bernie ever do to get lumped in with those other two numbskulls?