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No, I'm sorry, but that's not correct. Peaceful assembly (protest) is protected by the Charter, and can't be overridden by public health orders that easily.

Sure it can in public emergencies and has been in several provinces. Trudeau himself has that power under the Emergencies Act. Trudeau chose to act against the wishes of every premier and health officer in the country, just for his own ego.

PS And if there is a spike in infections because of these protests, Trudeau better man up and take responsibility for his part in actively encouraging them.
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No, I'm sorry, but that's not correct. Peaceful assembly (protest) is protected by the Charter, and can't be overridden by public health orders that easily.

Yes it can.  Our govs have broken about a gazillion of our charter rights during this lockdown.  We have freedom of peaceful assembly, for instance.  So banning gatherings of any amount of people is unconstitutional, so is fining people for it.  Banning people from public property, like parks.  We have mobility rights, freedom to leave and enter Canada, freedom to move between provinces etc.
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Pretty scary how easily all of our rights can be taken away.  Declare a state of emergency and everything flies out the door.
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Sure it can in public emergencies and has been in several provinces. Trudeau himself has that power under the Emergencies Act. Trudeau chose to act against the wishes of every premier and health officer in the country, just for his own ego.

PS And if there is a spike in infections because of these protests, Trudeau better man up and take responsibility for his part in actively encouraging them.

Acts of Parliament don't override the Charter.

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Yes it can.  Our govs have broken about a gazillion of our charter rights during this lockdown.  We have freedom of peaceful assembly, for instance.  So banning gatherings of any amount of people is unconstitutional, so is fining people for it.  Banning people from public property, like parks.  We have mobility rights, freedom to leave and enter Canada, freedom to move between provinces etc.

None of those rights have been broken during this. You can still enter and leave Canada as a Canadian, for example (with reasonable restrictions). You can still assemble, while observing social distancing rules. I'll also point out that none of the restrictions have been challenged in court on Charter grounds.

On a separate note, does any government want to challenge this type of mass protest in such a way? It would be political suicide, not to mention the fact that it would simply result in a bigger protest.
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Sure it can in public emergencies and has been in several provinces. Trudeau himself has that power under the Emergencies Act. Trudeau chose to act against the wishes of every premier and health officer in the country, just for his own ego.

So, you feel that Trudeau going to the protest materially changed the situation in terms of it's safety?

You don't legislate away protest like this, sorry. It just makes things worse.

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PS And if there is a spike in infections because of these protests, Trudeau better man up and take responsibility for his part in actively encouraging them.

BTW, you put protest like this to bed by being receptive to the message of it, not by standing against it. That simply creates more protest.
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BTW, you put protest like this to bed by being receptive to the message of it, not by standing against it. That simply creates more protest.

Trudeau’s actions have nothing to do with being receptive, he is cynically using them for his own advantage. He is telling Canadians to ignore the advice of his own health professionals.
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So, you feel that Trudeau going to the protest materially changed the situation in terms of it's safety?

You don't legislate away protest like this, sorry. It just makes things worse.

I feel Trudeau doesn’t give a crap about safety when it comes to him playing hero. You label anyone who protests a lockdown a covidiot for endangering public safety but when your hero goes out and does the same thing for a different cause, he is setting a good example.

Not one other world leader chose to grandstand and ignore public health directives the way Trudeau did.
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Trudeau’s actions have nothing to do with being receptive, he is cynically using them for his own advantage. He is telling Canadians to ignore the advice of his own health professionals.

You totally don't understand what's going on. It's the same reason that police officers have been taking a knee, and that Mitt Romney marched with protesters in Washington. Black people have decided that continuing 400 years of racial oppression is more dangerous to them than any virus. It's time that leaders listened.

Your hatred of Trudeau is blinding you.

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I feel Trudeau doesn’t give a crap about safety when it comes to him playing hero. You label anyone who protests a lockdown a covidiot for endangering public safety but when your hero goes out and does the same thing for a different cause, he is setting a good example.

Not one other world leader chose to grandstand and ignore public health directives the way Trudeau did.

I have never - once - used the word covidiot. The protest was going on outside of Trudeau's office. He would have been an idiot not to attend.

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I have never - once - used the word covidiot. The protest was going on outside of Trudeau's office. He would have been an idiot not to attend.

Maybe not you but you don’t come out supporting their rights either

Jeezus, do you think a prime minister should take part in every protest that takes place outside his office?


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You totally don't understand what's going on. It's the same reason that police officers have been taking a knee, and that Mitt Romney marched with protesters in Washington. Black people have decided that continuing 400 years of racial oppression is more dangerous to them than any virus. It's time that leaders listened.

Your hatred of Trudeau is blinding you.

You don’t have to take physical part in something to support it. I don’t hate Trudeau or anyone else, I just can’t take him seriously when he does this kind of ****. You are no different than Trump’s followers in your inability to be critical of anything he does regardless of what it is.

Mitt Romney is not the head of government and these protests are over things that  happened in his country. Trudeau is just jumping on the band wagon and using them for his own purposes. These protests aren’t all about him.
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You don’t have to take physical part in something to support it. I don’t hate Trudeau or anyone else, I just can’t take him seriously when he does this kind of ****. You are no different than Trump’s followers in your inability to be critical of anything he does regardless of what it is.

Mitt Romney is not the head of government and these protests are over things that  happened in his country. Trudeau is just jumping on the band wagon and using them for his own purposes. These protests aren’t all about him.

Black people in Canada are protesting systemic racism in Canada. Yes, an event in the US was a catalyst. That doesn't make it any less Justin Trudeau's problem.

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None of those rights have been broken during this. You can still enter and leave Canada as a Canadian, for example (with reasonable restrictions). You can still assemble, while observing social distancing rules. I'll also point out that none of the restrictions have been challenged in court on Charter grounds

This is obviously incorrect.  Provinces have banned gatherings of X amount of people. That very clearly goes against the Charter.  That's why they've declared a state of emergency.

When Justin went to the protest he broke the law.  But you'll never admit that, because you're biased.  So whatever.  Apparently breaking the law is fine as long as the virtue is high enough.  Never waste a good photo op.
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