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Offline JMT

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Sorry, which facts would you like a comment on?  The fact that the Wuhan coronavirus is more deadly than SARS, etc doesn’t really say much.  Those were barely notable.  We have flu seasons worse than those “pandemic”.  It also doesn’t change the data related to fatality rates by age and health.  I value your input though.

Week to week, it’s one of the most deadly killers on the planet.

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Yikes!

Coronavirus pandemic may lead to 75,000 "deaths of despair" from suicide, drug and alcohol abuse, study says
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-deaths-suicides-drugs-alcohol-pandemic-75000/

good on ya, member Shady! Good on ya!

from the 'study/brief':

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good on ya, member Shady! Good on ya!

from the 'study/brief':



Shady didn’t read his own linked report and it didn’t actually say what he wanted it to say?  Wow...  that’s a shocker.

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good on ya, member Shady! Good on ya!

from the 'study/brief':


I’ve never suggested that everything be reopened “fast” as you quoted.  More false choices.  My continued point is that all lives need to be weighed when making policy decisions.  You pandemic alarmists don’t want to acknowledge any serious consequences of being shut down.
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Well shazaam!!!

Asymptomatic spread of coronavirus is ‘very rare,’ WHO says
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html

It’s a good thing we shut down our economy over the of asymptomatic spreading.  D’oh!  Apparently it’s the coughers and sneezers that are the big spreaders of the virus, which makes it much easier to contain.  It’s more proof that its the immunocompromised that should be protected.
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Trumpers will use anything to try to get a divide in society, even when everyone is in agreement. They are the really dangerous virus.
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Week to week, it’s one of the most deadly killers on the planet.
It was, to the sick and elderly and immunocompromised.
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It was, to the sick and elderly and immunocompromised.

THOSE ARE **** PEOPLE YOU MORON.
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Trumpers will use anything to try to get a divide in society, even when everyone is in agreement. They are the really dangerous virus.
You shouldn’t be afraid of facts.  Besides, don’t you have a police killing to use to divide the country?  Even though 99% of people agree that it was terrible and wrong?  Don’t you have a police to defund and disband or something?
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THOSE ARE **** PEOPLE YOU MORON.
Yes, and I’ve always stated that those are the most important people to protect.
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You shouldn’t be afraid of facts.  Besides, don’t you have a police killing to use to divide the country?  Even though 99% of people agree that it was terrible and wrong?  Don’t you have a police to defund and disband or something?
Nope, like Joe Biden, I don't support disbanding the police, but I do agree with redistributing some of their responsibilities to social workers and healthcare professionals. Probably 99% of people would agree with me on that too. I don't doubt that you are in the 1% who doesn't.
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My continued point is that all lives need to be weighed when making policy decisions.


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Well shazaam!!!

Asymptomatic spread of coronavirus is ‘very rare,’ WHO says
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html

It’s a good thing we shut down our economy over the of asymptomatic spreading.  D’oh!  Apparently it’s the coughers and sneezers that are the big spreaders of the virus, which makes it much easier to contain.  It’s more proof that its the immunocompromised that should be protected.

well shazaam! The WHO representative at that news conference answered a question; one that's a matter of semantics... and in this case, the lazy-azzed CNBC "journalists" rushed their article without properly framing those semantics, particularly in regards the referenced studies. Of course, it's been replayed a brazillion times - clearly aimed at the less discriminating types, like you member Shady - like you!  ;D

what the journo's missed was the WHO reps clear distinctions offered; that in regards the limited studies/data available, it is important to distinguish even within the broadest of case categorizations; to breakdown those COVID-19 cases that are truly asymptomatic vs pre-symptomatic vs mildly symptomatic. In that press conference, the WHO rep stated there are actually fewer asymptomatic patients than previously thought; where she states, "If you actually go back and say how many of them are truly asymptomatic, we find out that many have really mild disease, very mild disease, they’re not quote unquote COVID symptoms, meaning they may not have developed fever yet."

again; an issue of semantics: The Term ‘Asymptomatic’ Is More Complicated Than It Seems When It Comes To Coronavirus Infections

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So what exactly does asymptomatic mean? In medicine, it means that a person has absolutely no symptoms. None.

People who are currently categorized as having asymptomatic Covid-19 infections appear on a spectrum ranging from those who are truly asymptomatic to those who have mild symptoms but don’t seek medical support.  The latter group is sometimes referred to as “paucisymptomatic” or “subclinical” because they are below the threshold of detection by the healthcare system. These individuals rarely alter their daily activity, so no one knows they are infected.

Other infected individuals may have no symptoms for the first few days before exhibiting classic symptoms of Covid-19.  These people are classified as “presymptomatic.”  Unfortunately paucisymptomatic and presymptomatic individuals of these groups are commonly mislabeled as asymptomatic in both the medical literature and media.
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One might question why these distinctions matter. And some would argue that they don’t – if a person doesn’t exhibit severe symptoms or is presymptomatic, then they are still below the detection of the healthcare system and may continue to spread the virus. However, as we learn more about the virus, it will become very important to understand what proportion of infected people fall into these three different categories and the role that people in each category play in transmitting infection. This will be integral in answering questions like if individuals with mild symptoms are more likely to spread the virus compared to those with no symptoms.

Additionally, with better public education and healthcare capacity, people with mild symptoms could more readily self-identify and seek medical care earlier. By isolating these individuals and their close contacts sooner, we could reduce the spread of the virus. Identifying these mild infections of Covid-19 could also help us derive more accurate estimates of where we are in the “curve” as well as the true burden of infection.

member Shady, try again - try harder!

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Yes, and I’ve always stated that those are the most important people to protect.
By telling them they should hide in their basements as if they were the least important people.  It's not just the part of your thread title where you state facts don't care about feelings that underscores your apparent lack of sincerity or compassion. Your oft-repeated concern for the vulnerable sounds like a bunch of self-serving hooey.
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Paucisymptomatic, presymptomatic, asymptomatic. It all boils down to the same thing if they are infectious and not showing symptoms.
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