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Offline waldo

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I will say this, Shady: we should not quote anyone but epidemiologists at this point.... have expertise in this highly specialized field.

so you're saying member Shady's radiologist opinion writer isn't special... enough?  ;D Of course, it's a well-worn and shady pattern honed during member Shady's battles in the climateWars! If this thread has legs I expect British tabloids to follow in 5, 4, 3,...


Offline MH

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1. Cars have a purpose, we need them. We have no need of Coronavirus, all it is good for is killing people.

2. We do have to figure out how to manage it until an effective vaccine is available. That will be trial and error, hopefully more trial than error. Germany has had  a spike in infections since they lifted some restrictions and are looking at having to reimpose them.
1. We need an economy, is the point
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1. We need an economy, is the point
2. Noted

No one is against an economy but there is no chance of the same economy until we get handle this thing. You can't send people to work in places where most of them are going to get sick and some of them die. Trump wants to keep the meat plants open but how is he going to do it, by forcing people who are scared shitless to go to work?
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No one is against an economy but there is no chance of the same economy until we get handle this thing. You can't send people to work in places where most of them are going to get sick and some of them die. Trump wants to keep the meat plants open but how is he going to do it, by forcing people who are scared shitless to go to work?

Right.  I think the point, restated without analogy this time, is that no matter when we go back it will be a risk.  No matter when.

So when Shady says that young people have less of a chance of getting killed by a car than Covid, that is valid.  If everybody has less of a chance, then we will probably at the point of returning.

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Right.  I think the point, restated without analogy this time, is that no matter when we go back it will be a risk.  No matter when.

So when Shady says that young people have less of a chance of getting killed by a car than Covid, that is valid.  If everybody has less of a chance, then we will probably at the point of returning.

Young people have always had more chance of getting killed in a car than older people.
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Well, it's arguable.

But what about my post are you refuting?

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Well, it's arguable.

But what about my post are you refuting?


Young people do have more chance of being in a fatal crash along with people over 80.

It isn't a valid comparison. If you have a car crash, it doesn't cause any number of other car crashes in other parts of the world two weeks later. It doesn't turn into a pandemic.
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Ok, so that's the problem with my analogy.  Do you disagree with the larger point I made or not?

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Ok, so that's the problem with my analogy.  Do you disagree with the larger point I made or not?

Without an effective vaccine but we have control over how much risk we are prepared to take. Until a point where this thing runs away and then we have control over nothing.
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given you were corrected previously... and you acknowledged said correction, this repeat is nothing more than a ShadyTroll! Be better member Shady; be better - recognize the official names as: virus => SARS-CoV-2 // disease => COVID-19

We call varicella "chickenpox".  I think it's ok to call it colloquially the Chinese Communist Party virus.  Unless of course you want to defend the Chinese Communist Party and their virus-making policies.  Do you member waldo, do you?
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Without an effective vaccine but we have control over how much risk we are prepared to take. Until a point where this thing runs away and then we have control over nothing.
I honestly don't understand your answer

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given you were corrected previously... and you acknowledged said correction, this repeat is nothing more than a ShadyTroll! Be better member Shady; be better - recognize the official names as: virus => SARS-CoV-2 // disease => COVID-19

We call varicella "chickenpox".  I think it's ok to call it colloquially the Chinese Communist Party virus.  Unless of course you want to defend the Chinese Communist Party and their virus-making policies.  Do you member waldo, do you?

being called out by ConspiracyG - how humbling! Why is your suggested "colloquial" naming used by such a narrow focused segment of people; like you, member Shady, your fellow Trumpists and ilk?


bloody hell member Shady, where's your science in your declared sciency thread?

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I honestly don't understand your answer

It means we have control over how much or how fast we open the economy up but if we get it wrong, it can get out of control in a hurry and then we are along for the ride.
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This is especially true in this forum.  High risk people should be protected and isolated.  The rest of us should be continuing our lives, practicing mitigation and social distancing.  The sooner that the general population achieves herd immunity, the sooner high risk people will cease to be high risk.  Prolonging here immunity only prolongs the period of time high risk people must live in isolation and quarantine.  Our policy isnít based on science, itís based on panic and hysteria.

Delaying herd immunity is costing lives
Climate scientists are frustrated by people who do not believe in climate change. In epidemiology, our frustration is with anti-vaxxers. Most anti-vaxxers are highly educated but still argue against vaccination. We now face a similar situation with Ďanti-herdersí, who view herd immunity as a misguided optional strategy rather than a scientifically proven phenomenon that can prevent unnecessary deaths.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/04/29/delaying-herd-immunity-is-costing-lives/
Anti-herd is the new anti-vaxx.  Sweden did it right.
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