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Offline Gorgeous Graham

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Re: Concerned about Venezuala
« Reply #15 on: May 04, 2019, 09:26:45 pm »
This too but when you bring in expertise and profit driven corporations efficiency goes up and the countries in question can often get a lot more value from their resources. So it can be a win-win depending on the fine print of the contracts signed. It is certainly a better deal than China's offers of loans followed by asset take overs when the country can't pay back the loans.

I agree, there's nothing wrong with foreign investment if it serves the interests of the country.
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Re: Concerned about Venezuala
« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2019, 08:46:35 am »
I agree, there's nothing wrong with foreign investment if it serves the interests of the country.

Venezuela has clearly and repeatedly said no to US involvement and yes to democratic socialism.
The coup that the US tried to engineer just fizzled out.
The people weren't fooled. The army didn't fold. Maduro didn't leave, and US assassins haven't got him yet.
Is the US now justified in making war on the people of Venezuela? 
Should Canada be supporting that?
Are we going to send Canadian soldiers to kill Venezuelans so Canadian mining companies can get rich?
Is that justification for Canadians to pay for a war?

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Re: Concerned about Venezuala
« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2019, 07:26:10 am »
Nonsense. The election was scrutinized and it was valid. And you can certainly see the truth today, because the Venezuelan people did not come out to  support the US coup, and it has fizzled out.

 Those are just Trump lies to try to justify a takeover of Venezuelan oil. And Trudeau's lies to try to take control of Venezuelan minerals.

The Venezuelan people are not interested.

Trump will start a war now.
Another war of US imperialism.

I said IF; a hypothetical. I wasn't talking about the past election, I was talking about one in the future. Not that it would surprise me if their last election was fixed, however...

Interesting how you can speak so clearly for the People of Venezuela. You're not a Russian troll, are you?
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Re: Concerned about Venezuala
« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2019, 12:04:06 pm »
I said IF; a hypothetical. I wasn't talking about the past election, I was talking about one in the future. Not that it would surprise me if their last election was fixed, however...

Interesting how you can speak so clearly for the People of Venezuela. You're not a Russian troll, are you?

Are you CIA?  ::)

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Re: Concerned about Venezuala
« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2019, 09:40:14 pm »
Are you CIA?  ::)

Quiet, you'll blow my cover!  :-X
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Re: Concerned about Venezuala
« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2019, 10:04:50 pm »
Quiet, you'll blow my cover!  :-X
Your little plot failed again  :D
In Venezuela, U.S.-Guaido strategy flops again
 https://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-venezuela-analysis-guaido-maduro-20190505-story.html

The CIA threw a coup last week ... and nobody came.  ;D
LOLOL

US jackboots going in?

https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/mb8g5n/trumps-venezuela-war-hawks-are-freaking-out-congress
Venezuelan forces are on alert. Over the weekend, Maduro spoke directly to the nation’s military and told them "to be ready to defend the homeland with weapons in your hands if one day the U.S. empire dares to touch this territory, this sacred earth."
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Re: Concerned about Venezuala
« Reply #21 on: May 07, 2019, 09:31:15 am »
Hmm, in other words he's propping himself up by claiming it's all America's fault. Pretty old strategy. He should get some new material. Why would the U.S. invade Venezuela when we're already fighting a war in Afghanistan?
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Re: Concerned about Venezuala
« Reply #22 on: May 07, 2019, 10:21:02 pm »
Trump is a moron that no one within the US government takes seriously. The UA strategic interest in Venezuela is a desire to see a true democracy/capitalist society and to undermine China's efforts to turn Venezuela in to a colony. Oil is no longer a strategic concern.

Oh barf.

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Re: Concerned about Venezuala
« Reply #23 on: May 09, 2019, 01:34:14 am »
Oh barf.

Granny, if we wanted oil we could get it somewhere else. Besides, Trump doesn't seem to want to do anything about it, since Putin doesn't want him to.
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Re: Concerned about Venezuala
« Reply #24 on: May 10, 2019, 12:19:47 am »
Granny, if we wanted oil we could get it somewhere else. Besides, Trump doesn't seem to want to do anything about it, since Putin doesn't want him to.
Canada wants gold and minerals for Canadian-registered mining companies.
The US wants Venezuela's oil.
And to destroy any semblance of socialism in case US'ns start getting any ideas about using taxes for the people instead of for the corporate US predatory perpetual war machine.
 

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Re: Concerned about Venezuala
« Reply #25 on: May 11, 2019, 12:01:01 am »
Granny, if we wanted oil we could get it somewhere else. Besides, Trump doesn't seem to want to do anything about it, since Putin doesn't want him to.

Venezuela has the largest oil reserves in the world.  There's a reason why we've been mucking around the middle-east for 70+ years.  They have virtually nothing else of any use to us besides oil.
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Re: Concerned about Venezuala
« Reply #26 on: May 11, 2019, 02:53:10 am »
CIA revealed
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/11/venezuela-maduro-targets-ex-spy-chief-figuera-in-outburst
Venezuela’s president, Nicolás Maduro, has accused his former spy chief of being a CIA infiltrator who helped mastermind last week’s botched coup attempt.

In a televised address, Maduro claimed General Manuel Cristopher Figuera – the most powerful figure to join Juan Guaidó’s failed 30 April uprising – had been recruited by US intelligence services in 2018.
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Maduro said Figuera – until last week the the head of Venezuela’s feared Bolivarian intelligence service, Sebin – was about to be detained when he defected to throw his weight behind Guaidó’s unsuccessful revolt


Who didn't know that the CIA vanguard for Corporate USA was orchestrating this abomination.

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Re: Concerned about Venezuala
« Reply #27 on: May 11, 2019, 03:52:03 am »
Venezuela has the largest oil reserves in the world.  There's a reason why we've been mucking around the middle-east for 70+ years.  They have virtually nothing else of any use to us besides oil.

the largest reserves are in the magic Kingdom (Saudi Arabia) not Venezuela.
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Re: Concerned about Venezuala
« Reply #28 on: May 11, 2019, 02:08:51 pm »
the largest reserves are in the magic Kingdom (Saudi Arabia) not Venezuela.

The oil in Saudi Arabia (16% of global total) is more accessible, but Venezuela has larger proven oil reserves (18%). Canada comes in third at 10%, Iran is fourth at 10% (marginally less than Canada), followed by Iraq, Kuwait, UAE, and Russia.

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Re: Concerned about Venezuala
« Reply #29 on: May 11, 2019, 08:29:03 pm »
“We” don’t need middle eastern or Venezuelan oil...  Canada exports oil, so how could “we” need oil from elsewhere?
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