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« Reply #1245 on: August 29, 2022, 01:04:51 pm »
Actually they are, the government is.

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« Reply #1246 on: August 29, 2022, 01:08:21 pm »
I’ve heard this all before, several times over the last few decades.  Nothing you propose will have any meaningful effect in the next decade or two.  Those are the facts.

This is called "telling on yourself".

Maybe if a$$holes like you hadn't opposed any meaningful action on climate change over the past 20 years we'd be in a better spot now. Fact is, you denialists will always find some excuse to not do anything no matter what the circumstances.

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« Reply #1247 on: August 29, 2022, 01:24:58 pm »
So what happens when you are negatively affected by steps that will have to be taken to mitigate the effects of climate change. You will be cool with that?
Technology is the key to climate change, like the post on Nuclear Fusion that I cited.  Regardless, unless you can get China and India on board, your steps to mitigation are irrelevant.
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« Reply #1248 on: August 29, 2022, 01:27:13 pm »
This is called "telling on yourself".

Maybe if a$$holes like you hadn't opposed any meaningful action on climate change over the past 20 years we'd be in a better spot now. Fact is, you denialists will always find some excuse to not do anything no matter what the circumstances.
Meaningful action is subjective.  Even so, the United States has led the world in reducing it's emissions over the past 20 years, and that's with no so-called meaningful action.  Regardless, said meaningful action doesn't actually mean anything when the worlds largest carbon producers, India and China continue to increase their emissions.  Learn to adapt until technology solves the problem.
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Re: Climate Change
« Reply #1249 on: August 29, 2022, 01:36:58 pm »
Technology is the key to climate change, like the post on Nuclear Fusion that I cited.  Regardless, unless you can get China and India on board, your steps to mitigation are irrelevant.

What technology?  If it is possible to use fusion to generate power sometime in the future, that will only mitigate warming by replacing fossil fuels. It won't protect coastlines or from radical changes in weather due to climate change. Or damage to ecosystems and extinctions of species vulnerable to rising temperatures.

Don't point at others to excuse your own negligence and incompetence. You can always find someone else to use as an excuse to do nothing yourself.
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« Reply #1250 on: August 29, 2022, 02:35:38 pm »
What technology?  If it is possible to use fusion to generate power sometime in the future, that will only mitigate warming by replacing fossil fuels. It won't protect coastlines or from radical changes in weather due to climate change. Or damage to ecosystems and extinctions of species vulnerable to rising temperatures.

Don't point at others to excuse your own negligence and incompetence. You can always find someone else to use as an excuse to do nothing yourself.
I guess you’re screwed then.  I’m not sure what magical solution you’re looking for to protect coastlines.
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« Reply #1251 on: August 29, 2022, 02:51:01 pm »
I guess you’re screwed then.  I’m not sure what magical solution you’re looking for to protect coastlines.

Why do you think I'm screwed? I live 600 ft ASL. You are the one relying on magical solutions instead of doing anything to mitigate the cause.
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« Reply #1252 on: August 29, 2022, 02:54:21 pm »
Why do you think I'm screwed? I live 600 ft ASL. You are the one relying on magical solutions instead of doing anything to mitigate the cause.
I’ve already explained to you that we could reduce our carbon emissions to zero, and without China and India on board, it’s irrelevant.  Please detail your plain.
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« Reply #1253 on: August 29, 2022, 03:13:33 pm »
Meaningful action is subjective.  Even so, the United States has led the world in reducing it's emissions over the past 20 years, and that's with no so-called meaningful action.  Regardless, said meaningful action doesn't actually mean anything when the worlds largest carbon producers, India and China continue to increase their emissions.  Learn to adapt until technology solves the problem.

The US has significantly cut its coal use, which is the major driver of GHG reductions there. that's pretty meaningful IMO.

I’ve already explained to you that we could reduce our carbon emissions to zero, and without China and India on board, it’s irrelevant.  Please detail your plain.

The thing is everyone knows you're a bad faith actor. China and India could start cutting their carbon emissions tomorrow and you'd still oppose any action domestically.
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« Reply #1254 on: August 29, 2022, 04:23:54 pm »
I’ve already explained to you that we could reduce our carbon emissions to zero, and without China and India on board, it’s irrelevant.  Please detail your plain.

It isn't irrelevant, a ton of carbon emitted in Canada is no different from a ton emitted in China or India. As one of the biggest per capita emitters on the planet, we can't point fingers at others while we do nothing. Why do you think you should be entitled to a standard of living that is not available to others? Why do you point fingers at people who only want what you have?
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« Reply #1255 on: August 29, 2022, 04:58:58 pm »
It isn't irrelevant, a ton of carbon emitted in Canada is no different from a ton emitted in China or India. As one of the biggest per capita emitters on the planet, we can't point fingers at others while we do nothing. Why do you think you should be entitled to a standard of living that is not available to others? Why do you point fingers at people who only want what you have?
The environment doesn’t care about per capita.  If Canada reduces its emissions to zero, while China produces more than the United States and Europe combined, what progress do you think you’re making?  Other than shipping manufacturing jobs to China and India.
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« Reply #1256 on: August 29, 2022, 05:00:55 pm »
China's greenhouse gas emissions in 2019 exceeded those of the U.S. and other developed nations combined,
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/05/06/chinas-greenhouse-gas-emissions-exceed-us-developed-world-report.html

And that’s going to increase for the next 8 to 10 years, at least.
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« Reply #1257 on: August 29, 2022, 05:09:23 pm »
The environment doesn’t care about per capita.  If Canada reduces its emissions to zero, while China produces more than the United States and Europe combined, what progress do you think you’re making?  Other than shipping manufacturing jobs to China and India.

Of course the environment cares about per capita. Clearly, everyone else in the world cannot emit at the same rate we do so why do you think you have the right to emit ten times as much as the average Chinese or Indian?
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Re: Climate Change
« Reply #1258 on: August 29, 2022, 05:43:51 pm »
China's greenhouse gas emissions in 2019 exceeded those of the U.S. and other developed nations combined,

cumulative CO2 emissions: It is the level of the concentration of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, not the current level of emissions, which determines the extent of the warming effect from their presence in the atmosphere. In other words it is the cumulative effect of past emissions from all sources that matters – the stock of CO2 rather than the flow - and in that regard the U.S. is determined as the single nation most significantly responsible for climate change impacts today.


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« Reply #1259 on: August 30, 2022, 12:43:42 pm »
cumulative CO2 emissions: It is the level of the concentration of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, not the current level of emissions, which determines the extent of the warming effect from their presence in the atmosphere. In other words it is the cumulative effect of past emissions from all sources that matters – the stock of CO2 rather than the flow - and in that regard the U.S. is determined as the single nation most significantly responsible for climate change impacts today.


Lol, I love how you need to go back to 1850! 😂 When China wasn’t even industrialized.  Btw, how do volcanic eruptions stack up to the chart you posted?  Any idea?
Regardless, what’s your position going to be when China over takes them?  Why are you ok with China deferring reductions for another 8 years?  Isn’t climate change an urgent issue?