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« on: August 26, 2017, 10:36:43 am »
Who is concerned about climate change?  I personally believe this is our biggest threat - Nazis, Muslims, Trump are mere child's play compared to the chaos, destruction and death that climate change promises.  I do wonder why it isn't talked about more, and I've concluded its because nobody really knows what to do about it, especially when world leaders are busily posturing their military might, their political clout, or just trying to get re-elected.

Anyway, I found this infographic showing which countries, due to location, wealth and infrastructure will survive the best.  Canada and the US are near the top of 'survivability' chart, but Mexico and South America are not.  For those who worry about illegal immigration, stop concerning yourselves with Muslims - they'll be barely a drop in the bucket compared to the numbers of people who will be trying to escape a continent that will become essentially uninhabitable in a few decades.   

So here's the graphic. 
http://www.businessinsider.com/countries-that-will-survive-climate-change-infographic-2015-6

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Offline BC_cheque

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« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2017, 02:51:19 pm »
I'm more worried about climate change than terrorism too.  Terrorism can't take out entire continents in the same way climate-change will.

The fact that it will be mostly non-western third-world (and overpopulated) countries that will suffer is probably the primary reason those who aren't concerned feel as they do, but you're right, they're forgetting that that the people of those countries aren't going to just lie down and die.  They'll migrate and it's going to get ugly trying to fight hordes of people whose only will is to survive.

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« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2017, 03:41:34 pm »
I'm concerned, but at the same time, I have faith that we'll figure it out in the end.

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« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2017, 06:18:43 pm »
Who is concerned about climate change?  I personally believe this is our biggest threat
Humans have been dealing with climate change for 1000s of years. We adapt cause that is what we do.

So here's the graphic.
The graphic correlates with GDP per captita. Those countries with functional governments and economies will do fine. Those with dyfunctional or non-existent governments will have problems. IOW - this is nothing new. The only thing climate change does is give people a boogie man to blame instead of more accurately placing the blame on the people living in the countries that are not able to create or sustain a functional government.
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« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2017, 08:03:22 pm »
.. Those countries with functional governments and economies will do fine. Those with dyfunctional or non-existent governments will have problems. IOW - this is nothing new. The only thing climate change does is give people a boogie man to blame instead of more accurately placing the blame on the people living in the countries that are not able to create or sustain a functional government.

  The functional economies pump out vast amounts of greenhouse gasses and we are to blame the dysfunctional economies/governments for being subjected to the results. Doesn't make much sense to blame them. I blame us functional folks for pumping out the gasses far more than any non-functioning government/economy/society then doing our utmost to not take steps to utilize our grand superiority and reign in our excesses. The fault does not belong on the shoulders of pearl-divers in micronesia.
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« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2017, 08:17:55 pm »
  The functional economies pump out vast amounts of greenhouse gasses and we are to blame the dysfunctional economies/governments for being subjected to the results. Doesn't make much sense to blame them. I blame us functional folks for pumping out the gasses far more than any non-functioning government/economy/society then doing our utmost to not take steps to utilize our grand superiority and reign in our excesses. The fault does not belong on the shoulders of pearl-divers in micronesia.

As I recall Tim was one of those who used to deny global warming was a valid concern. Now that science has overwhelmingly proved that idea faulty, the attempt to try and pass the buck for who caused it is equally stunning. 

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« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2017, 08:23:38 pm »
The functional economies pump out vast amounts of greenhouse gasses and we are to blame the dysfunctional economies/governments for being subjected to the results.
GHGs which have greatly improved the lives of everyone in the world  and are well worth the cost. Do you really believe the 'pearl divers Micronesia' don't use any technology whether it is cellphones, TVs or ICE powered farming implements? In fact, your example is quite ironic given the fact that pearls are worthless without access to developed country markets.

The problem with the blame game is it just gives people excuses for taking responsibility for their own actions and choices.





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« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2017, 08:24:49 pm »
TimG ?  What the what ?  ???

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« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2017, 08:28:16 pm »
As I recall Tim was one of those who used to deny global warming was a valid concern. Now that science has overwhelmingly proved that idea faulty
Except that is nothing but psuedo-religious claptrap that you have been told to believe. What science tells us is GHGs are going to make the world warmer. Beyond that all claims about what the consequences will or will not be are hypothetical speculations. It seems like ever other day I see 'climate change' claims in the media that are simply not supported by the science either because the science says the exact opposite or because the uncertainty is no great no respectable scientist would make such a claim.
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« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2017, 08:36:39 pm »
TimG ?  What the what ?  ???
https://judithcurry.com/2015/11/01/kiribati-crisis-the-blame-game/

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The reality is that the reef islands that are formed on living coral arcs or atolls are not a suitable long-term habitat for anything other than a very light human footprint: in the not-so-distant past, limitation was placed on population growth by the size of the freshwater lens that forms by the accumulation of rainwater in the compacted sand behind the beach, and above sea level. If this becomes exhausted by the withdrawal of too much water for drinking or for growing vegetables, the human population dies out, or must migrate.
IOW - overpopulation of these atolls is the primary cause of any distress they may incur in the future. Rising seas are a secondary concern.

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« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2017, 08:43:44 pm »
I took that as surprise on his part that you're here.

I only asked people that I had a degree of respect for to come here.  Some didn't show up.  Most did.

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« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2017, 08:44:22 pm »
Except that is nothing but psuedo-religious claptrap that you have been told to believe. What science tells us is GHGs are going to make the world warmer. Beyond that all claims about what the consequences will or will not be are hypothetical speculations. It seems like ever other day I see 'climate change' claims in the media that are simply not supported by the science either because the science says the exact opposite or because the uncertainty is no great no respectable scientist would make such a claim.

Actually around 97% of climate scientists do make such claims. Ignore them if you will but we see the results occurring before our eyes. I'm glad I don't own property in Florida.

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« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2017, 08:54:42 pm »
GHGs which have greatly improved the lives of everyone in the world  and are well worth the cost. Do you really believe the 'pearl divers Micronesia' don't use any technology whether it is cellphones, TVs or ICE powered farming implements? In fact, your example is quite ironic given the fact that pearls are worthless without access to developed country markets.

The problem with the blame game is it just gives people excuses for taking responsibility for their own actions and choices.

You're a little confused. GHG's haven't improved our lives. Creating them did because it warmed our homes and propelled our cars etc. But it also polluted the air we breath, and is adversely affecting our environment. We need to progress if we want to stay healthy.

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« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2017, 09:11:27 pm »
1. I took that as surprise on his part that you're here.

2. I only asked people that I had a degree of respect for to come here.  Some didn't show up.  Most did.
1. Correct.
2. You asked people ?  I would just ask everybody and boot out idiots m'self.

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« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2017, 09:14:17 pm »
Actually around 97% of climate scientists do make such claims.
That claim itself is excellent example of the nonsense that gets repeated in the media but is basically false. The 97% refers to a study where a group of scientists were asked if GHGs contributes to warming - a statement that I also agree with. What makes it false is people like you try to take a response to a very narrow question and use to claim that any alarmist statement is equally supported by scientific evidence.

And honest debate requires that every individual claim be evaluated on its own. i.e. if someone claims that warming is causing hurricanes then we need to the look at the evidence for that claim. The fact that GHGs cause warming has no bearing on whether that particular claim is correct or reasonable.
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