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Offline Omni

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« Reply #660 on: May 24, 2019, 06:24:35 pm »
Batteries that require massive mining operations to produce. What are the chances that lithium producers in Ecuador will pay anything close to the costs of mitigating the environmental damage and reclaiming the land once the mining operation ends?

Again you seem to ignore that the environmental damage from coal only begins with the mine, and then proceeds around the globe from there.

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« Reply #661 on: May 24, 2019, 06:34:55 pm »
Obviously you haven't fact checked your figures for oh, say 30 years or so. Current revenues are about $1.4.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_fuel_taxes_in_Canada

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The Government of Canada collects about $5 billion per year in excise taxes on gasoline, diesel, and aviation fuel[16] as well as approximately $1.6 billion per year from GST revenues on gasoline and diesel (net of input tax credits). The Canada Revenue Agency, a part of the government, collects these taxes.
Collectively, the provincial governments collect approximately $8 billion per year from excise taxes on gasoline and diesel.

https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/energy/facts/energy-economy/20062
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An important share of government revenues is collected from the oil and gas industry, which averaged $15.7 billion over the last five years, including $12.8 billion from upstream oil and gas extraction and its support activities.

So I was wrong the number is closer to $24 billion/year.

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« Reply #662 on: May 24, 2019, 08:17:48 pm »
Might be time to start rolling up our pant legs.



Chile's 12,000-square kilometre Southern Patagonia Ice Field has split in two and is likely to continue to fracture amid climate change, according to a team of Chilean scientists who were in the region in March.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/patagonia-ice-field-split-climate-change-1.5147759

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« Reply #663 on: May 25, 2019, 10:11:26 am »
optics? ... Green Party leader's "EViper"! (apparently, not the 1st time she's taken a parade spin in that Green Party volunteer's... 400hp, 2.3km/liter gas guzzling behemoth). The "leader" was criticized the 1st time, and now again for this most recent ride.


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« Reply #664 on: May 25, 2019, 01:27:54 pm »
lithium producers in Ecuador

Not very high on the list:

Chile, Bolivia, Australia, Argentina, China

There are new operations in the US, and once a cost effective extraction method is found then we can get over 200 billion tonnes from the Oceans.

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« Reply #665 on: May 25, 2019, 01:29:39 pm »
Canadian governments collect $20 billion per year from fossil fuels. That pays for a lot of clean up and still leaves the taxpayer with a tidy profit. IOW, the idea that consumers don't pay the "true" cost of fossil fuels is nonsense.

Canadian government already spends much more than that on developing roads, subsidizing fossil fuels, etc.

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« Reply #666 on: May 25, 2019, 04:14:36 pm »
Canadian government already spends much more than that on developing roads, subsidizing fossil fuels, etc.
Who cares? Roads are needed no matter what powers the cars. There are no significant subsidies to fossil fuels in Canada and they are more than made up by the revenue that fossil fuels bring in. Wind and solar are a drain on government on government finances.
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« Reply #667 on: May 25, 2019, 04:21:58 pm »
Who cares? Roads are needed no matter what powers the cars. There are no significant subsidies to fossil fuels in Canada and they are more than made up by the revenue that fossil fuels bring in. Wind and solar are a drain on government on government finances.

No, actually they are a drain on oil company revenues, and will continue to be. Maybe get rid of those Exxon Mobil shares.

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« Reply #668 on: May 25, 2019, 04:22:48 pm »
This weekend i went to 2 different pubs and ordered soft drinks which came in glasses with paper straws.
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« Reply #669 on: May 25, 2019, 04:25:43 pm »
This weekend i went to 2 different pubs and ordered soft drinks which came in glasses with paper straws.

Why would you go to a pub for soft drinks?

Offline Queefer Sutherland

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« Reply #670 on: May 25, 2019, 04:26:36 pm »
No, actually they are a drain on oil company revenues, and will continue to be. Maybe get rid of those Exxon Mobil shares.

Are wind and solar power cheaper or more expensive than fossil fuel plants?

I have no idea, i assume more expensive.
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« Reply #671 on: May 25, 2019, 04:34:40 pm »
Are wind and solar power cheaper or more expensive than fossil fuel plants?

I have no idea, i assume more expensive.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dominicdudley/2018/01/13/renewable-energy-cost-effective-fossil-fuels-2020/#1b9801e74ff2

The cost of renewable energy is now falling so fast that it should be a consistently cheaper source of electricity generation than traditional fossil fuels within just a few years, according to a new report from the International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA).

The organisation – which has more than 150 member countries – says the cost of generating power from onshore wind has fallen by around 23%  since 2010 while the cost of solar photovoltaic (PV) electricity has fallen by 73% in that time. With further price falls expected for these and other green energy options, IRENA says all renewable energy technologies should be competitive on price with fossil fuels by 2020.
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« Reply #672 on: May 25, 2019, 04:37:50 pm »
https://www.forbes.com/sites/dominicdudley/2018/01/13/renewable-energy-cost-effective-fossil-fuels-2020/#1b9801e74ff2

The cost of renewable energy is now falling so fast that it should be a consistently cheaper source of electricity generation than traditional fossil fuels within just a few years, according to a new report from the International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA).

The organisation – which has more than 150 member countries – says the cost of generating power from onshore wind has fallen by around 23%  since 2010 while the cost of solar photovoltaic (PV) electricity has fallen by 73% in that time. With further price falls expected for these and other green energy options, IRENA says all renewable energy technologies should be competitive on price with fossil fuels by 2020.

I would love to leave the oilfiled, and work in an occupation related to helping resolve climate change.

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« Reply #673 on: May 25, 2019, 04:38:30 pm »
https://www.forbes.com/sites/dominicdudley/2018/01/13/renewable-energy-cost-effective-fossil-fuels-2020/#1b9801e74ff2

The cost of renewable energy is now falling so fast that it should be a consistently cheaper source of electricity generation than traditional fossil fuels within just a few years, according to a new report from the International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA).

The organisation – which has more than 150 member countries – says the cost of generating power from onshore wind has fallen by around 23%  since 2010 while the cost of solar photovoltaic (PV) electricity has fallen by 73% in that time. With further price falls expected for these and other green energy options, IRENA says all renewable energy technologies should be competitive on price with fossil fuels by 2020.

Good news.  Confirmed by this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source#Cost_factors
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« Reply #674 on: May 25, 2019, 04:50:28 pm »
Good news.  Confirmed by this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source#Cost_factors
These claims are nonsense with have no connection to the real world because they never account for the full cost of deploying renewables which includes the batteries and/or gas plants needs to provide power when the wind is not blowing or the sun is not shining. It is the cost of backup power which inevitably leads to skying rocketing electricity rates in any jurisdiction that tries to force the deployment of renewables.  This problem is noted in your link but I guess most people don't read past the tables with the meaningless numbers.
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