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Offline ?Impact

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« Reply #630 on: May 23, 2019, 03:21:27 pm »
Symbolic gestures. If reducing emissions was simply a matter of going without a latte for a week we would have solved it long ago. Real emission reductions require real sacrifices.
If the measures are cost effective and don't involve accounting tricks then I am all for it. No need to waste if we don't need to.

The same old argument. I am unwilling to do anything because it won't solve the entire problem. Unless I can boil the ocean, then it is not worth it. That is no different than the stupid Canada only generates 1.8% of GHG so we will continue to do the wrong thing because we cannot solve world peace alone.
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« Reply #631 on: May 23, 2019, 03:44:57 pm »
The same old argument. I am unwilling to do anything because it won't solve the entire problem. Unless I can boil the ocean, then it is not worth it. That is no different than the stupid Canada only generates 1.8% of GHG so we will continue to do the wrong thing because we cannot solve world peace alone.
What we should not do is set goals that put us at a disadvantage when compared to our major competitors in the US, India and China. What we should not do is kill off industries because of the stupid idea that eliminating an industry in Canada will make a difference to the global demand for the products in question. If you have ideas that don't violate those two principles then lets hear them.

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« Reply #632 on: May 23, 2019, 03:50:07 pm »
What we should not do is set goals that put us at a disadvantage when compared to our major competitors in the US, India and China. What we should not do is kill off industries because of the stupid idea that eliminating an industry in Canada will make a difference to the global demand for the products in question. If you have ideas that don't violate those two principles then lets hear them.

What if we "kill off industries" that are endangering our existence and generate new industries that can fulfill the same roles. For instance I grew up near a hydro dam, but luckily not near a coal burning plant, or you might be paying taxes to help pay my medical bills for lung disease.
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« Reply #633 on: May 23, 2019, 04:04:14 pm »
What if we "kill off industries" that are endangering our existence and generate new industries that can fulfill the same roles.
Resource industries are essential to maintaining Canada's balance of trade with the rest of the world. We need those exports to pay for the imports we need to keep our society running. Replacing those export revenues with alternative industries is not going to happen given that Canada has no real competitive advantage in areas outside of resources and agriculture. Wishful thinking about "green tech" manufacturing won't happen. At best we could produce a few start ups that outsource manufacture to Asia until their IP is bought out by a big American/European/Chinese company.
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« Reply #634 on: May 23, 2019, 04:34:42 pm »
Resource industries are essential to maintaining Canada's balance of trade with the rest of the world. We need those exports to pay for the imports we need to keep our society running. Replacing those export revenues with alternative industries is not going to happen given that Canada has no real competitive advantage in areas outside of resources and agriculture. Wishful thinking about "green tech" manufacturing won't happen. At best we could produce a few start ups that outsource manufacture to Asia until their IP is bought out by a big American/European/Chinese company.

So your idea is we should continue to be "hewers of wood and drawers of water" forever? Sorry bud, we are much more educated than that.

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« Reply #635 on: May 23, 2019, 04:45:20 pm »
So your idea is we should continue to be "hewers of wood and drawers of water" forever? Sorry bud, we are much more educated than that.
"Hewing wood and drawing water" is an incredibly high tech business that requires a lot of know how and provides a lot of extremely well paid jobs. Your condescending attitude is typical of clueless urban elites who live of a comfortable life thanks to the efforts of the people they spit on.

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« Reply #636 on: May 23, 2019, 04:59:19 pm »
"Hewing wood and drawing water" is an incredibly high tech business that requires a lot of know how and provides a lot of extremely well paid jobs. Your condescending attitude is typical of clueless urban elites who live of a comfortable life thanks to the efforts of the people they spit on.

Except global warming is on its way to killing the trees that provide the labor you seem to be into. Therefore we need to go a little beyond just chopping them down and figure out how to maintain them.

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« Reply #637 on: May 24, 2019, 01:53:06 am »
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« Reply #638 on: May 24, 2019, 02:42:13 am »
<yet more climate ****>
No one ever considers other explanations because climate change causes everything!

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« Reply #639 on: May 24, 2019, 11:38:42 am »
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Offline Queefer Sutherland

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« Reply #640 on: May 24, 2019, 11:50:11 am »
That is no different than the stupid Canada only generates 1.8% of GHG so we will continue to do the wrong thing because we cannot solve world peace alone.

Why is it stupid?  What is the wrong thing vs the right thing?  Saying something is stupid isn't an argument.
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« Reply #641 on: May 24, 2019, 11:53:02 am »
What we should not do is set goals that put us at a disadvantage when compared to our major competitors in the US, India and China. What we should not do is kill off industries because of the stupid idea that eliminating an industry in Canada will make a difference to the global demand for the products in question. If you have ideas that don't violate those two principles then lets hear them.

Exactly.  I'm all for fighting AGW but we need to consider all factors while doing so.
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« Reply #642 on: May 24, 2019, 11:59:01 am »
Exactly.  I'm all for fighting AGW but we need to consider all factors while doing so.

Except typical deniers tend to ignore the most pertinent factors, otherwise their arguments fall apart.

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« Reply #643 on: May 24, 2019, 12:06:29 pm »
What if we "kill off industries" that are endangering our existence and generate new industries that can fulfill the same roles. For instance I grew up near a hydro dam, but luckily not near a coal burning plant, or you might be paying taxes to help pay my medical bills for lung disease.

How do we kill off these industries?  You'd have to convince 7.7 billion people on the planet to stop using gasoline and other cheap fossil fuel energy.  We could completely shut down the Alberta oil sands and take axes to all our current pipelines but it wouldn't kill off these industries.

We don't need unworkable dreams, we need practical solutions that will fit into the current economic realities.  People want to help global warming, they also want cheap food, energy, and transportation.  When those 2 are able to intersect we will have ourselves a solution. Fortunately we have geniuses working on tech and that tech will keep getting cheaper as it always does.
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« Reply #644 on: May 24, 2019, 12:08:25 pm »
Except typical deniers tend to ignore the most pertinent factors, otherwise their arguments fall apart.

Yes, and so do alarmists.  Fortunately none of these people  control technological progress or the global marketplace and neither of them can stop progress.
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