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Offline Queefer Sutherland

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Re: Climate Change
« Reply #465 on: May 13, 2019, 06:45:29 pm »
Quote from: Granny on May 13, 2019, 05:38:04 pm
No it isn't a current problem TimG:
No papers have been suppressed.

You know this how?
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« Reply #466 on: May 13, 2019, 06:59:48 pm »
Quote from: TimG on May 13, 2019, 04:42:27 pm
Since you now seem to acknowledge that subjectivity is a fact of life perhaps we can talk about how to fix the system to better deal with the world that exists rather than keep the one based on the "impartial, objective academic" fantasy?

you're so full of shyte! Your real problem is that even if legitimate skeptic papers (legitimate... not your favoured fake-skeptic/denier papers) meet the test of peer-review and get published in legitimate journals, invariably they can't stand up to subsequent peer response.

by the by: the following speaks to replicate... are you ready to acknowledge your recent bonehead play concerning replicability versus reproducibility?

Here’s what happens when you try to replicate climate contrarian papers --- A new paper finds common errors among the 3% of climate papers that reject the global warming consensus
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Offline Granny

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« Reply #467 on: May 13, 2019, 07:02:47 pm »
Quote from: TimG on May 13, 2019, 05:56:10 pm
People who have the integrity to follow the evidence wherever it would lead would be much more careful about the claims they make in the first place and would most certainly not refer to people who disagree as "deniers".

The rich, powerful and omnipresent FOSSIL FUEL INDUSTRY disagrees.
We get that.
Don't care.

In the case of the papers under discussion here,  none have been suppressed.
Discredited, but not suppressed.
Best practice is to air it, critique it.
Outlier papers by people who have the temerity (and corporate  funding) to lead the evidence wherever it would follow.

Lol
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Offline TimG

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Re: Climate Change
« Reply #468 on: May 13, 2019, 07:05:23 pm »
Quote from: Granny on May 13, 2019, 07:02:47 pm
In the case of the papers under discussion here,  none have been suppressed.
How can you know? Are you psychic?
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Re: Climate Change
« Reply #469 on: May 13, 2019, 07:05:50 pm »
Quote from: Poonlight Graham on May 13, 2019, 06:45:29 pm
You know this how?

given your earlier want to revisit the decade old Hackergate, you would appear to be invested in "contrarian" research/publication... care to share your insights into which author's/papers that legitimate journals have suppressed from publication?
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Re: Climate Change
« Reply #470 on: May 13, 2019, 07:11:17 pm »
Quote from: TimG on May 13, 2019, 05:56:10 pm
People who have the integrity to follow the evidence wherever it would lead would be much more careful about the claims they make in the first place and would most certainly not refer to people who disagree as "deniers".

of course, per norm, you now resort to playing the victim! No one here, other than you, is purposely conflating legitimate skeptics with fake-skeptics/deniers - deniers, like you!
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Offline Granny

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« Reply #471 on: May 13, 2019, 07:12:22 pm »
Quote from: TimG on May 13, 2019, 07:05:23 pm
How can you know?

I read.

The 3% of papers with alternate results were included in the IPCC report.
Regardless of emails.

You have nothing TimG.
Clock out.
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Offline TimG

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Re: Climate Change
« Reply #472 on: May 13, 2019, 07:20:50 pm »
Quote from: Granny on May 13, 2019, 07:12:22 pm
The 3% of papers with alternate results were included in the IPCC report.
Logic fail. You claim no papers have been suppressed. Suppressed papers would obviously not show up to be counted which makes that stat meaningless. Prove that no papers have been suppressed. If you can't then simply acknowledge that we can't know if papers are suppressed and we can only ask ourselves if climate scientists seem to be the type of people that would suppress adverse results. To do that we would look at what the say and how they talk and, most importantly, examine how they treat people that disagree with them. People who vilify people that disagree with them are the type of people that suppress results.
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Re: Climate Change
« Reply #473 on: May 13, 2019, 07:26:10 pm »
Quote from: TimG on May 13, 2019, 07:20:50 pm
Prove that no papers have been suppressed.

You are the one claiming that papers have been suppressed, the onus is on you.
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Offline TimG

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Re: Climate Change
« Reply #474 on: May 13, 2019, 07:44:18 pm »
Quote from: ?Impact on May 13, 2019, 07:26:10 pm
You are the one claiming that papers have been suppressed, the onus is on you.
I am saying we can't know if papers are suppressed because the people who we are supposed to trust to be objective and act professionally instead act like partisan zealots and therefore can't be trusted.
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Offline Granny

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« Reply #475 on: May 13, 2019, 07:47:40 pm »
Quote from: TimG on May 13, 2019, 07:44:18 pm
I am saying we can't know if papers are suppressed because the people who we are supposed to trust to be objective and act professionally instead act like partisan zealots and therefore can't be trusted.

They published the oil-funded papers TimG.
As examples of how not to do climate science.

Seriously ... Don't do research this way:

Step away from the data plot until the dots coalesce so you can fit the curve you want.
Hahahahahahahaha!!!

You got nothing.
Step away.
:D
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Offline Michael Hardner

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Re: Climate Change
« Reply #476 on: May 14, 2019, 05:49:27 am »
Quote from: TimG on May 13, 2019, 04:42:27 pm

Since you now seem to acknowledge that subjectivity is a fact of life perhaps we can talk about how to fix the system to better deal with the world that exists rather than keep the one based on the "impartial, objective academic" fantasy?

Sure but what about the impartiality of judges ?
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Offline TimG

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Re: Climate Change
« Reply #477 on: May 14, 2019, 08:14:58 am »
Quote from: MH on May 14, 2019, 05:49:27 am
Sure but what about the impartiality of judges ?
With the judiciary there is at least a public debate and parliament has tools to override some judicial decisions if the elected representatives decide differently. Furthermore, the principle that contrary views and juries of peers are an intrinsic part of the system of justice further mitigates any problem with bias in the judiciary.

But you did not answer the question: are you willing to acknowledge that the "objective, impartial academic" is a myth and the biases of the academics matter in fields of knowledge where replicable experiments cannot settle scientific debates (i.e. the decision of what papers are "good" and what papers are "bad" comes down to a popularity contest among academics)?

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Offline waldo

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Re: Climate Change
« Reply #478 on: May 14, 2019, 10:45:50 am »
Quote from: TimG on May 14, 2019, 08:14:58 am
(i.e. the decision of what papers are "good" and what papers are "bad" comes down to a popularity contest among academics)?

popularity contest? You mean prevailing science is just a... popularity contest?  ;D Ya ya TimG, you & your hucksters gotta huck!
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Re: Climate Change
« Reply #479 on: May 14, 2019, 10:47:41 am »
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