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Offline Omni

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« Reply #390 on: April 08, 2019, 04:26:10 pm »
Many of those "sniveling hypocrites" are actually educated scientists who work for the government and so they base their findings on what they see, not some bullshit money bag you always seem to suggest exists. Once again, take a gd look at teh ice melt at the poles. Or do you think the sat. photos are phonied up by payments from the same "money bag"?
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« Reply #391 on: April 08, 2019, 05:21:22 pm »
That amount can go down dramatically through the use of technology and lifestyle changes. There is no need to heat and air condition your 5600 sq ft mansion with little insulation and windows wide open, and drive to the corner store in your SUV.
Right. Any lifestyle choice that you don't need is "optional" and a waste. Any lifestyle choice that you want is essential. Got it.

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« Reply #392 on: April 08, 2019, 05:23:41 pm »
Right. Any lifestyle choice that you don't need is "optional" and a waste. Any lifestyle choice that you want is essential. Got it.

I didn't say any, I suggest you stop with the over the top rhetoric. It is the extremes that need to be addressed.
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« Reply #393 on: April 08, 2019, 05:36:11 pm »
Again, we have lived on this planet a long time before we discoverd oil, and we can continue to live here without it.

What on Earth are you talking about?  You do realize that global warming is caused by more than oil, do you not? 

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« Reply #394 on: April 08, 2019, 05:44:15 pm »
What on Earth are you talking about?  You do realize that global warming is caused by more than oil, do you not?

Oil, coal, gasoline, cow farts, but mostly CO2 from fossil fuel burning.

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« Reply #395 on: April 08, 2019, 05:48:23 pm »
You do realize that global warming is caused by more than oil, do you not?


Fossil fuels are certainly a major contributor. Yes, deforestation and concrete production are other major ones. In Canada, fossil fuels account for about 80% of our GHG emissions.
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« Reply #396 on: April 08, 2019, 06:19:45 pm »
I didn't say any, I suggest you stop with the over the top rhetoric. It is the extremes that need to be addressed.
What you call extremes either don't happen frequently enough to matter or other people see as essential. Reducing energy consumption means forcing people to live without conveniences they have come to see as essential. The only way to deal with the CO2 problem is to provide a reliable alternate source of energy that does not require CO2 emissions. At this point nuclear power is only option available but it is rejected by many because it offends the sensibilities of many of the people claiming that CO2 is a crisis.

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« Reply #397 on: April 08, 2019, 07:16:15 pm »
What you call extremes either don't happen frequently enough to matter or other people see as essential. Reducing energy consumption means forcing people to live without conveniences they have come to see as essential. The only way to deal with the CO2 problem is to provide a reliable alternate source of energy that does not require CO2 emissions. At this point nuclear power is only option available but it is rejected by many because it offends the sensibilities of many of the people claiming that CO2 is a crisis.

So is installing a programmable stat that causes your furnace to drop the temp. over night while you sleep and warms it back up before you get up an inconvenience? Is planning to drive to the mall once to get all the shopping done instead of three times an inconvenience? People are already doing that so your argument on that level falls short yet again. On the bigger scale, I suspect your anti nuclear comments are based on what AOC has said. She's just one mouthpiece. I suspect you will see nuclear expansion before long.

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« Reply #398 on: April 16, 2019, 01:59:36 pm »
At this point nuclear power is only option available but it is rejected by many because it offends the sensibilities of many of the people claiming that CO2 is a crisis.

1. bio-diesel from vegetable oil and fats
2. methanol, ethanol, butane, propane, natural gas
2. algae fuel
3. wind
4. hydrogen
5. solar
6. walking
7. cycling
8. thermal (using the ground and rocks to store heat and cold)
9. hydro-electricity
10. steam
11. forced water streams.

We have patents, industrial designs, for all kinds of alternative technologies. The question is who controls the rights to these inventions and techniques....ask them what they intend to do with them.
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« Reply #399 on: April 16, 2019, 02:31:23 pm »
We have patents, industrial designs, for all kinds of alternative technologies. The question is who controls the rights to these inventions and techniques....ask them what they intend to do with them.
A common mistake people make is to assume that just because a technology exists that it must be possible to use at a large scale. Nothing could be further from the truth. Energy production is extremely sensitive to economics. i.e. the energy produced must be much more valuable that the resources consumed to produce it where the resources consumed include fuel but also capital investment. On top of that you have a hierarchy of energy where liquid fuel is more valuable than dispatch-able or baseload electricity which is more valuable that intermittent electricity (e.g. wind).

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« Reply #400 on: April 16, 2019, 02:36:37 pm »
A common mistake people make is to assume that just because a technology exists that it must be possible to use at a large scale. Nothing could be further from the truth. Energy production is extremely sensitive to economics. i.e. the energy produced must be much more valuable that the resources consumed to produce it where the resources consumed include fuel but also capital investment. On top of that you have a hierarchy of energy where liquid fuel is more valuable than dispatch-able or baseload electricity which is more valuable that intermittent electricity (e.g. wind).
So have you not heard that hydro technology is being used on a large scale? And why would you think that energy produced by renewables is somehow less valuable than that produced by burning fossil's?
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« Reply #401 on: April 18, 2019, 02:27:43 pm »
This op really resonates with me:

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/tristin-hopper-how-environmentalists-killed-rachel-notleys-government?video_autoplay=true

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You may have noticed that Conservatives everywhere have been losing their goddamned minds over the carbon tax. It’s a “tax on everything,” it’s “job killing,” yada, yada, yada. You can dismiss them as a bunch of climate truthers who hate the earth. Or, maybe they’re cynically tapping into a public mood that is reacting against a green movement that is increasingly uncompromising and unreasonable.

You know what I’m talking about. Cities like Victoria and Whistler suing oil companies for climate change, even while they preside over vast carbon-dependent economies: I’m looking at you, heli-skiing. A green movement that is manically opposed to nuclear energy, even if by simple mathematics, you cannot feasibly run the power grid on renewables. Lauding a fringe group of protesters who illegally blockade an LNG pipeline project that has unprecedented amounts of Indigenous buy-in and is a net boon to global emissions reduction because it will be supplanting coal power in China. Prominent environmentalist voices who are openly saying that we can’t save the climate without “smashing capitalism.”

A lot of people have been watching this unfold, and they are coming to the not unreasonable conclusion that no matter what they do, the green movement’s going to hate it, so screw it: Coal plants and Jason Kenney forever. You can talk all you want about the existential risk of climate change and the need to take radical action immediately. You’ve got science on your side, green movement. But if the Alberta election is any lesson, people aren’t going to be inclined to listen to you if you’re a dick about it.
The criticism will, of course, be completely lost on the various climate alarmists who think screaming "denier" is a useful technique to persuade people.

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« Reply #402 on: April 18, 2019, 02:41:36 pm »
This op really resonates with me:

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/tristin-hopper-how-environmentalists-killed-rachel-notleys-government?video_autoplay=true
The criticism will, of course, be completely lost on the various climate alarmists who think screaming "denier" is a useful technique to persuade people.

Polls suggest about a third of Canadians buy this nonsense. The rest rely on actual climate scientists for guidance.

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« Reply #403 on: April 18, 2019, 03:55:03 pm »
The criticism will, of course, be completely lost on the various climate alarmists who think screaming "denier" is a useful technique to persuade people.

there's no screaming in naming you a denier - simply a matter-of-fact labeling

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« Reply #404 on: April 18, 2019, 04:00:19 pm »
there's no screaming in naming you a denier - simply a matter-of-fact labeling
What wonderful evidence of why nothing you say can be taken seriously because you simply do not understand the difference between a fact and an opinion.