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« Reply #345 on: February 23, 2019, 03:57:51 pm »
There is a huge difference between what Telsa is doing and a generic swappable battery. In the Telsa case a battery designed by Telsa for a specific model can be swapped out but that is way too limiting to support generic infrastructure that can work with vehicles from any manufacturer. There may be cases where a fleet commits to a single model/maker but once they make that commitment they would be locked in because switching to another model/maker would require a brand new pool of batteries.

Remember this is not a debate about what can be technically done. This is a debate about what options are the most cost effective. The disadvantages of EVs are real and they cost money to overcome. Delivering the same service at a higher cost is not progress.

Edison and Tesla got their act together back in the day. That is why you can now plug your US made TV set into the same plug as your Japanese made radio. And, I could take the battery out of my Mazda pickup and put it into my GM pick up.

In other words developing a common interchangeable battery is not really any problem.
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« Reply #346 on: February 24, 2019, 01:13:55 pm »
Now here's an interesting way to help fight climate change I hadn't thought of, but scientists in California have found that adding a small amount of seaweed to cows feed removes ~99% of the methane from their burps, (and farts). Cal. has introduced significant methane reduction goals on the cattle farmers in the state and this may provide a relatively easy way for them to meet/exceed them.   

  And who doesn't like a little seaweed? I eat sushi often. 

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« Reply #347 on: February 24, 2019, 02:34:22 pm »
removes ~99% of the methane

Were did you get that figure? I heard almost 60% for cattle at the UC Davis study, and in a separate study in Australia they used red algae in the feed of Sheep to cut emissions by about 80%.

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« Reply #348 on: February 24, 2019, 02:37:50 pm »
Were did you get that figure? I heard almost 60% for cattle at the UC Davis study, and in a separate study in Australia they used red algae in the feed of Sheep to cut emissions by about 80%.

I forgot to post the cite. Here it is.

https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/cows-seaweed-methane-burps-cut-greenhouse-gas-emissions-climate-change-research-a8368911.html

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« Reply #349 on: February 24, 2019, 02:52:08 pm »
I forgot to post the cite. Here it is.

Interesting, most other articles that give numbers do not go that high. Professor Kebreab does not appear to have any recent publications on the topic (last one was in 2016 that I can find). His website does link to a more recent article, but all it says is "substantial reductions".

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« Reply #350 on: February 24, 2019, 03:25:21 pm »
Interesting, most other articles that give numbers do not go that high. Professor Kebreab does not appear to have any recent publications on the topic (last one was in 2016 that I can find). His website does link to a more recent article, but all it says is "substantial reductions".

The article I posted specifically says their results were initial and surprising and that more work was needed to follow. Other more recent articles show somewhat reduced outcomes, but still well above the requirements California has asked for. (40%) I see others, (Australia) have tried the same approach mixing molasses with the seaweed and feeding it to other animals such as sheep, goats who also emit methane. And India who had similar results and boy they have a lot of cows.


https://www.nationalgeographic.com/people-and-culture/food/the-plate/2016/11/seaweed-may-be-the-solution-for-burping-cows/

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/science/how-indias-cows-can-save-the-earth-by-feeding-on-seaweed/articleshow/65590210.cms

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« Reply #351 on: February 24, 2019, 04:19:26 pm »
You do realize that a clever low cost solution will never be good enough for climate alarmists because it is not really about reducing GHGs: it is about forcing people to adopt "approved"
 lifestyles and getting rid of industries which the alarmists don't like. In this case, it is meat eating culture which is the problem rather than the cows.

It would be a lot easier to come up with rational solutions if this debate was actually about reducing GHGs (e.g. by building nuclear power plants).
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« Reply #352 on: February 24, 2019, 04:35:08 pm »
You do realize that a clever low cost solution will never be good enough for climate alarmists because it is not really about reducing GHGs: it is about forcing people to adopt "approved"
 lifestyles and getting rid of industries which the alarmists don't like. In this case, it is meat eating culture which is the problem rather than the cows.

It would be a lot easier to come up with rational solutions if this debate was actually about reducing GHGs (e.g. by building nuclear power plants).

You make some rather silly assumptions. Climate alarmists are actually all about reducing GHG's. (Have you been living under a rock)?
If we can accomplish a significant step toward that reduction by simply modifying the food intake of cows, which produce a lot of methane, (which a serious GHG, much worse than CO2) no one is going to take your steak away from you. Building nuclear power plants so you don't have to inhale coal smoke is another step.

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« Reply #353 on: February 24, 2019, 04:46:58 pm »
Building nuclear power plants so you don't have to inhale coal smoke is another step.
Yet climate alarmists like AOC in her "Green New Deal" want to shut down the nuclear plants that are already ready built. Building new ones is absolutely out of the question.

It makes no difference if you think nukes are fine, I am simply pointing out the toxic political dynamic that exists and because of that toxic environment it has become impossible to have a rational discussion on what can be done given the technology available.
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« Reply #354 on: February 24, 2019, 05:04:34 pm »
Yet climate alarmists like AOC in her "Green New Deal" want to shut down the nuclear plants that are already ready built. Building new ones is absolutely out of the question.

It makes no difference if you think nukes are fine, I am simply pointing out the toxic political dynamic that exists and because of that toxic environment it has become impossible to have a rational discussion on what can be done given the technology available.

I myself am in favor of nuclear power however they take ~20 years to build, and science shows us that the increasing advance of global warming requires remedies sooner than that. So start feeding your cows a bit of seaweed.

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« Reply #355 on: February 25, 2019, 12:15:47 pm »
Yet climate alarmists like AOC in her "Green New Deal" want to shut down the nuclear plants that are already ready built. Building new ones is absolutely out of the question.

It makes no difference if you think nukes are fine, I am simply pointing out the toxic political dynamic that exists and because of that toxic environment it has become impossible to have a rational discussion on what can be done given the technology available.

of course that resolution has no relation/attachment to the actual 'real-deal' Green New Deal (GND) that originates from 2008 on... the real GND that doesn't take any 'tools off the table', including nuclear and fossil-fuels (that is, fossil-fuels leveraging carbon-capture). AOC is just noise in the mix; however, as I recall, their anti-nuclear stance was somewhat pulled back after receiving significant criticisms - I note some of their more profiled advocates are accepting to "advanced nuclear" (i.e., 4th/5th gen).

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« Reply #356 on: February 25, 2019, 04:45:25 pm »
Yet climate alarmists like AOC in her "Green New Deal" want to shut down the nuclear plants that are already ready built. Building new ones is absolutely out of the question.

Actually there is very healthy debate among climate realists. AOC plan does not include nuclear, but it also does not say shut down existing ones. She specifically addressed that as transition off of nuclear to renewables. It is climate denier extremists that are twisting her and others words to support their unrealistic ideals.
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« Reply #357 on: February 25, 2019, 05:10:44 pm »
Actually there is very healthy debate among climate realists. AOC plan does not include nuclear, but it also does not say shut down existing ones. She specifically addressed that as transition off of nuclear to renewables. It is climate denier extremists that are twisting her and others words to support their unrealistic ideals.

And, surprise, surprise, one of those well known climate denier extremists is planning to set up a panel of a hand picked group of same to attempt to overturn his own governments findings on climate change.

"The White House plans to create an ad hoc group of select federal scientists to reassess the government’s analysis of climate science and counter conclusions that the continued burning of fossil fuels is harming the planet, according to three senior administration officials."

And of course Trump is setting up his panel in such a way as to be able to hide in a backroom somewhere and then once his panel concludes what he wants them to, he can say, there's no climate change, my special panel tells me so.

"The Federal Advisory Committee Act imposes several ground rules for such panels, including that they meet in public, are subject to public records requests and include a representative membership. The new working group, by contrast, would not be subject to any of those requirements."

And of course there's no surprise that William Happer will likely head up this group. Well aside from the fact he's not a climate scientist.n

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/white-house-to-select-federal-scientists-to-reassess-government-climate-findings-sources-say/2019/02/24/49cd0a84-37dd-11e9-af5b-b51b7ff322e9_story.html?utm_term=.c294c59561fa
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« Reply #358 on: March 19, 2019, 03:22:22 pm »
I have a crazy yet simple way to fight climate change and GHG emissions:

People should go to bed shortly after the sun goes down, and wake up when the sun rises.  You know, like humans did for 99.99999% of human history prior to the invention of the lightbulb.

When I was younger I used to go fishing on a remote lake in the middle of nowhere.  You had to fly by small pontoon plane to get to this lake, not even road accessible.  Well, obviously there was no hydro to the cabin we stayed in.  We relied on gas-powered generator to keep the fridge running.  No flush toilet, just an outhouse.  At night we shut the generator off to save gas.  In the summer sundown was 9pm-ish, so lights out.  We woke up at dawn and went fishing.  It was kind of neat.  There was nothing to do at night anyways, no cable TV, no internet, no cell phones, maybe a game of cards by lantern.
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« Reply #359 on: March 19, 2019, 03:27:58 pm »
People should go to bed shortly after the sun goes down, and wake up when the sun rises.

Astronomers would disagree.
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