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Offline Queefer Sutherland

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« Reply #255 on: December 17, 2018, 10:42:30 pm »
2005-2016

Alberta - increase 14%
Saskatchewan - increase 11%
Ontario - decrease 22%

Ontario residents have paid a big price on their monthly hydro bills & gasoline fill-ups for that decrease too. (though there's also other factors that have driven up ON hydro rates).
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« Reply #256 on: December 17, 2018, 11:34:28 pm »
I'm actually a fan of global warming. It's so mild here on the west coast, and by the time the Pacific floods my house I'll be gone up yonder. Sorry about the kids.

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« Reply #257 on: December 18, 2018, 02:00:48 pm »
The Canadian Chamber of Commerce supports carbon pricing in Canada.

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4946754

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The Canadian Chamber of Commerce says the business community in Canada is solidly backing carbon pricing as the way for it to "play its part in the fight against climate change" — and it wants governments to stop playing politics and waffling about it.
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« Reply #258 on: January 16, 2019, 04:11:17 pm »
The latest report on the advance of global warming is a bit, can I say "chilling"? I don't live far from the Pacific and a 180 foot rise as antarctic ice melt accelerates would see my house well under water.

Since 2009, Antarctica has lost almost 252 billion tonnes of ice per year, the new study found. In the 1980s, it was losing 40 billion tonnes a year.

The recent melting rate is 15 per cent higher than what a study found last year.

Melting in West Antarctica and the Antarctica Peninsula account for about four-fifths of the ice loss. East Antarctica's melting "increases the risk of multiple metre sea level rise over the next century or so," Rignot said.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/antarctica-melting-ice-climate-change-1.4978499

Offline Michael Hardner

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« Reply #259 on: January 16, 2019, 04:14:29 pm »
The water rise numbers seem to be the ones most exaggerated - by the media.   Scary studies get reported.  Unscary ones don't.

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« Reply #260 on: January 16, 2019, 04:28:28 pm »
The water rise numbers seem to be the ones most exaggerated - by the media.   Scary studies get reported.  Unscary ones don't.

And so do you also suggest the media "adjusts" the satellite photos to make them more scary too?

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« Reply #261 on: January 16, 2019, 05:21:54 pm »
I don't live far from the Pacific and a 180 foot rise as antarctic ice melt accelerates would see my house well under water.

Where did you get the 180 feet from? I though glaciers melting would add about 10 feet. That is still serious for many heavily populated parts of the world, including in North America.

Also note that floating ice melting will add about 2 inches to sea level. Yes, I know that by weight the same amount of water is displaced, but that doesn't take into account the density of fresh water compared to the salt water it is displacing.

What I haven't seen a good figure on is the effect of rebounding of the Earth surface will play when the glaciers melt. That was a big contributor to sea level rise after the last ice age, so I expect it will play part here as well.

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« Reply #262 on: January 16, 2019, 05:33:22 pm »
Where did you get the 180 feet from? I though glaciers melting would add about 10 feet. That is still serious for many heavily populated parts of the world, including in North America.

Also note that floating ice melting will add about 2 inches to sea level. Yes, I know that by weight the same amount of water is displaced, but that doesn't take into account the density of fresh water compared to the salt water it is displacing.

What I haven't seen a good figure on is the effect of rebounding of the Earth surface will play when the glaciers melt. That was a big contributor to sea level rise after the last ice age, so I expect it will play part here as well.

The figure comes from the estimated effect of the antarctic ice shelf melt. Most of the ice down there sits on land so if it slips into the surrounding ocean it will have a much more significant effect than arctic ice melt which is already in the water. Then of course there's Greenland and glaciers.

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« Reply #263 on: January 16, 2019, 05:47:41 pm »
The figure comes from the estimated effect of the antarctic ice shelf melt. Most of the ice down there sits on land so if it slips into the surrounding ocean it will have a much more significant effect than arctic ice melt which is already in the water. Then of course there's Greenland and glaciers.

Ok, I see that most of the current studies were based on the west antarctic ice sheet which is considered unstable since its base is under water. The east antarctic ice sheet has been considered stable, but yes there are some indications it is losing more to melt than it gains from snow cover now. It is much larger, but I can't find any consistent measures of how much it would contribute to sea level rise. The estimates are anywhere from 16 feet to 60 meters, and there are many in-between.

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« Reply #264 on: January 16, 2019, 07:55:06 pm »
I'm actually a fan of global warming. It's so mild here on the west coast, and by the time the Pacific floods my house I'll be gone up yonder. Sorry about the kids.

Its caused by all the hot air coming from Trudeau and your beloved Liberals.
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« Reply #265 on: January 16, 2019, 08:34:17 pm »
The water rise numbers seem to be the ones most exaggerated - by the media.   Scary studies get reported.  Unscary ones don't.

Depends on how much melts. The Greenland icecap is two miles thick.
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« Reply #266 on: January 16, 2019, 08:42:22 pm »
Ok, I see that most of the current studies were based on the west antarctic ice sheet which is considered unstable since its base is under water. The east antarctic ice sheet has been considered stable, but yes there are some indications it is losing more to melt than it gains from snow cover now. It is much larger, but I can't find any consistent measures of how much it would contribute to sea level rise. The estimates are anywhere from 16 feet to 60 meters, and there are many in-between.

Eric Rignot, a University of California, Irvine, ice scientist, was the lead author on the new study in Monday's Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. He said the big difference is that his satellite-based study found East Antarctica, which used to be considered stable, is losing 51 billion tonnes of ice a year. Last year's study, which took several teams' work into consideration, found little to no loss in East Antarctica recently and gains in the past.
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« Reply #267 on: January 30, 2019, 04:48:17 pm »
I suspect the global warming deniers will use the current cold snap in the eastern US as "proof" of their position.
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« Reply #268 on: January 30, 2019, 05:38:10 pm »
I suspect the global warming deniers will use the current cold snap in the eastern US as "proof" of their position.

That's exactly what's happening...

Except the polar vortex that's causing this is exactly what you'd expect from rapid climate change.

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Recent boreal winters have exhibited a large-scale seesaw temperature pattern characterized by an unusually warm Arctic and cold continents. Whether there is any physical link between Arctic variability and Northern Hemisphere (NH) extreme weather is an active area of research. Using a recently developed index of severe winter weather, we show that the occurrence of severe winter weather in the United States is significantly related to anomalies in pan-Arctic geopotential heights and temperatures. As the Arctic transitions from a relatively cold state to a warmer one, the frequency of severe winter weather in mid-latitudes increases through the transition. However, this relationship is strongest in the eastern US and mixed to even opposite along the western US. We also show that during mid-winter to late-winter of recent decades, when the Arctic warming trend is greatest and extends into the upper troposphere and lower stratosphere, severe winter weather—including both cold spells and heavy snows—became more frequent in the eastern United States.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-02992-9
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« Reply #269 on: January 30, 2019, 05:45:43 pm »
That's exactly what's happening...

Except the polar vortex that's causing this is exactly what you'd expect from rapid climate change.

I'm still waiting to hear any sort of explanation as to why 1.4 million sq. km of Arctic sea ice has disappeared over the last couple of decades.