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« Reply #240 on: November 29, 2018, 04:46:34 pm »
Recent surveys show we have now lost even more arctic sea ice. Carnival Cruise Lines could flourish.
Global warming can be good for some business I guess.

"Since 1958, the study reveals that Arctic ice cover has lost about two-thirds of its thickness, and older ice has shrunk by almost 2 million square kilometres (800,000 square miles)."


https://www.sciencealert.com/arctic-sea-ice-lost-thinner-more-vulnerable

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« Reply #241 on: December 16, 2018, 09:01:28 am »

The purpose of the Polish summit was to finalize the rules that signatories of the Paris accord are supposed to follow when they report their greenhouse gas emissions. But any sentient being knows that the rules are not the problem. The problem is that most major nations, including Canada, have no feasible plan to meet their climate targets. Canada, for example, has promised a 30-per-cent reduction below 2005 levels by 2030.And if you believe we can do that, you probably believe pigs can fly. Even so, those targets are not nearly ambitious enough to slow down climate change, the UN says.For that to happen, we’d have to shut down the modern world as we know it.

For now – and for a long time to come – decoupling prosperity from fossil fuels will be all but impossible. That’s why China, which is widely hailed as a renewable-energy leader,has been building coal plants by the dozens. Like most other countries, it needs to get richer before it gets greener. China is so big that anything Canada does to cut down on greenhouse gas emissions is irrelevant. China’s annual increase in carbon emissions is about the same as Canada’s entire annual carbon output.

Embarrassingly – for Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, at any rate – Canada’s performance is rated as “highly insufficient” by Climate Action Tracker, an outfit that monitors these things. He plans to fix this through carbon taxes, which are set to start next year.But according to a United Nations scientific panel, our carbon taxes will be too low to have any impact on behaviour. The UN report estimates that governments would need to impose carbon prices of US$135 to US$5,500 per tonne of emissionsto keep global warming in check – levels that are politically impossible. By contrast, Canada’s carbon tax will start at $20 per tonne and rise to $50 by 2022. At best it will be an ineffective nuisance.


https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-canada-climate-hypocrite/
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« Reply #242 on: December 16, 2018, 09:21:59 am »
The purpose of the Polish summit was to finalize the rules that signatories of the Paris accord are supposed to follow when they report their greenhouse gas emissions. But any sentient being knows that the rules are not the problem. The problem is that most major nations, including Canada, have no feasible plan to meet their climate targets. Canada, for example, has promised a 30-per-cent reduction below 2005 levels by 2030.And if you believe we can do that, you probably believe pigs can fly. Even so, those targets are not nearly ambitious enough to slow down climate change, the UN says.For that to happen, we’d have to shut down the modern world as we know it.

For now – and for a long time to come – decoupling prosperity from fossil fuels will be all but impossible. That’s why China, which is widely hailed as a renewable-energy leader,has been building coal plants by the dozens. Like most other countries, it needs to get richer before it gets greener. China is so big that anything Canada does to cut down on greenhouse gas emissions is irrelevant. China’s annual increase in carbon emissions is about the same as Canada’s entire annual carbon output.

Embarrassingly – for Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, at any rate – Canada’s performance is rated as “highly insufficient” by Climate Action Tracker, an outfit that monitors these things. He plans to fix this through carbon taxes, which are set to start next year.But according to a United Nations scientific panel, our carbon taxes will be too low to have any impact on behaviour. The UN report estimates that governments would need to impose carbon prices of US$135 to US$5,500 per tonne of emissionsto keep global warming in check – levels that are politically impossible. By contrast, Canada’s carbon tax will start at $20 per tonne and rise to $50 by 2022. At best it will be an ineffective nuisance.


https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-canada-climate-hypocrite/

Margaret Wente? now there's an ineffective nuisance. I wonder who she plagiarized for this article!

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« Reply #243 on: December 16, 2018, 11:23:42 am »
Notwithstanding twats and plagiarists, it looks like another round of self serving, back slapping, virtue signalling has come and gone without anything more concrete than commitments that either won't be met, or won't be effective.

At least they showed some sense of humour with regards the location.

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« Reply #244 on: December 16, 2018, 11:52:27 am »
oh, argus is back to his twat/twit thingy. Wente has long ago proven herself an unreliable source. Of course her being alt. right would appeal to you, so carry on.

And again, you can think whatever you want about Wente. I really couldn't care less. But quoting three paragraphs and not responding to what was actually SAID but instead writing some juvenile one-line put-down of the author is almost as moronic as you suggesting anything about this is 'alt right'. Do you even know what 'alt right' is or did you just hear the big kids on the playground using it a lot and though it a kewl phrase to use against anything you don't like?
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« Reply #245 on: December 16, 2018, 12:13:16 pm »
And again, you can think whatever you want about Wente. I really couldn't care less. But quoting three paragraphs and not responding to what was actually SAID but instead writing some juvenile one-line put-down of the author is almost as moronic as you suggesting anything about this is 'alt right'. Do you even know what 'alt right' is or did you just hear the big kids on the playground using it a lot and though it a kewl phrase to use against anything you don't like?

https://www.thetelegram.com/opinion/columnists/peter-jackson-why-does-margaret-wente-still-have-a-job-135226/
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« Reply #246 on: December 16, 2018, 12:49:21 pm »
I don’t disagree that Canada has been lacking in implementing policies to reduce GHGs.  It certainly doesn’t help when Provinces like Ontario, Saskatchewan and Alberta refuse to do anything.   But then the Feds have to step in, take over and do what’s right on the climate issues since idiots leading the provinces won’t.
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« Reply #247 on: December 16, 2018, 12:58:31 pm »
I don’t disagree that Canada has been lacking in implementing policies to reduce GHGs.  It certainly doesn’t help when Provinces like Ontario, Saskatchewan and Alberta refuse to do anything.   But then the Feds have to step in, take over and do what’s right on the climate issues since idiots leading the provinces won’t.

Macron tried that, and look what happened there. 

I know the arguments are legion, but one basic fact seems to rear its ugly head over all the rest.  In order to make a real difference, an extremely unlikely level of both cooperation and suffering needs to be reached.

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« Reply #248 on: December 16, 2018, 01:05:21 pm »
I don’t disagree that Canada has been lacking in implementing policies to reduce GHGs.  It certainly doesn’t help when Provinces like Ontario, Saskatchewan and Alberta refuse to do anything.   But then the Feds have to step in, take over and do what’s right on the climate issues since idiots leading the provinces won’t.

Living in BC I keep a bit of an eye on the carbon tax we have had for some time now. Overall it seems to have been revenue neutral as it was intended, and has reduced consumption somewhat. In one way simply because people plan such things as trips to the grocery store a little better so they don't have to make as many. That won't snub global warming of course but it's step in the right direction.

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« Reply #249 on: December 16, 2018, 02:26:08 pm »
I don’t disagree that Canada has been lacking in implementing policies to reduce GHGs.  It certainly doesn’t help when Provinces like Ontario, Saskatchewan and Alberta refuse to do anything.

2005-2016

Alberta - increase 14%
Saskatchewan - increase 11%
Ontario - decrease 22%


On a per-capita basis, Saskatchewan is the worst.

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« Reply #250 on: December 16, 2018, 05:13:04 pm »
Living in BC I keep a bit of an eye on the carbon tax we have had for some time now. Overall it seems to have been revenue neutral as it was intended, and has reduced consumption somewhat. In one way simply because people plan such things as trips to the grocery store a little better so they don't have to make as many. That won't snub global warming of course but it's step in the right direction.

Was revenue neutral, just goes into the big pot now.
http://theclimateexaminer.ca/2017/09/22/b-c-overturns-carbon-tax-revenue-neutrality/

Here's another.
https://www.macleans.ca/economy/economicanalysis/the-ndps-carbon-tax-increase-puts-b-c-on-a-very-different-path/

Too much money there and they need it to pay for some of their campaign promises. The NDP had to figure out a way of getting the rest of the Province to pay for removing those bridge tolls.
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« Reply #251 on: December 17, 2018, 11:06:55 am »
I don’t disagree that Canada has been lacking in implementing policies to reduce GHGs.  It certainly doesn’t help when Provinces like Ontario, Saskatchewan and Alberta refuse to do anything.   But then the Feds have to step in, take over and do what’s right on the climate issues since idiots leading the provinces won’t.

Yeah, we gotta get that carbon taxing going! I mean, it won't make one iota of difference to the world, but we gotta look like we're progressive no matter what it costs!
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« Reply #252 on: December 17, 2018, 11:11:05 am »
2005-2016

Alberta - increase 14%
Saskatchewan - increase 11%
Ontario - decrease 22%


On a per-capita basis, Saskatchewan is the worst.


Who gives a ****? You guys always figure out just what stat makes you the most self-righteous and then go with that one.
Ab and SK have had increasing oil output, meanwhile your dream girl in Ontario has succeeded in driving half its manufacturing base south. Yeah, LETS HAVE MORE OF THAT!
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« Reply #253 on: December 17, 2018, 12:20:53 pm »
...meanwhile your dream girl in Ontario has succeeded in driving half its manufacturing base south.

whaaa! No supporting Fraser Institute cite? Half? Is that a lot?  ;D

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« Reply #254 on: December 17, 2018, 04:15:49 pm »
Who gives a ****? You guys always figure out just what stat makes you the most self-righteous and then go with that one.
Ab and SK have had increasing oil output, meanwhile your dream girl in Ontario has succeeded in driving half its manufacturing base south. Yeah, LETS HAVE MORE OF THAT!

Ontario had 54% GDP growth, and 11% population growth, all while cutting back emissions by 22%.