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« Reply #225 on: November 28, 2018, 07:46:00 am »
no - as a part of standard 'peer response', a couple of errors were found; accordingly, per norm, the paper will be corrected. Per the lead author, expectations are that required changes/corrections will have a small impact on the calculations of overall ocean heat uptake (in line with some "dozen" prior paper findings")... but with larger margins of error.

But didn't the paper itself, regardless of errors, indicate that past views on how fast the oceans were warming were wrong?  The corrections just showed them to be not as wrong as initially stated? 
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« Reply #226 on: November 28, 2018, 07:53:22 am »
But didn't the paper itself, regardless of errors, indicate that past views on how fast the oceans were warming were wrong?  The corrections just showed them to be not as wrong as initially stated?
No. The corrections means there was no error from prior estimates. But note how the media blasts the original story but makes no mention of the correction. This is a good illustration of what we know about "climate change" from the media is often false or misleading and it is a huge mistake to take what activists *claim* the science says as fact. The actual science is a lot less certain.


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« Reply #227 on: November 28, 2018, 07:58:30 am »
No. The corrections means there was no error from prior estimates. But note how the media blasts the original story but makes no mention of the correction. This is a good illustration of what we know about "climate change" from the media is often false or misleading and it is a huge mistake to take what activists *claim* the science says as fact. The actual science is a lot less certain.

I don't know so much.  Why would the Weather Network lie to me?

So, the 'good' news from this is, whereas the original message of the study was that the oceans were warming 60 per cent faster than had been predicted in the most recent IPCC climate change report - which would have been quite the dire development - the new margins of error of the study put the amount of increased warming, compared to those same IPCC predictions, at somewhere between +10 per cent to +70 per cent.

Thus, the oceans are still warming faster than predicted, according to the study, so it's not really good news. It's just that it is hard, at the moment, to pin down exactly how much faster they are warming. It could be by just a small bit (an extra 10 per cent over prediction), or it could be much faster (possibly even more than the study originally stated).
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« Reply #228 on: November 28, 2018, 08:16:30 am »
I don't know so much.  Why would the Weather Network lie to me?
Somewhere between 10 and 70%? Well, I had not seen the official revised numbers but that explains why they were willing to be civil. They did the math and figured they can still get their catastrophe ****.

And that does not take into account that this is just one study with a different way to doing a calculation that may or may not be better than prior estimates. When the same thing can be measured in a many different ways you can't assume the latest way to do it is necessarily better.
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« Reply #229 on: November 28, 2018, 09:10:41 am »
And shortly afterwards the authors were forced to admit that they made significant math errors that meant their conclusions could not be supported by the data. These math errors were uncovered and published by "blog science" which alarmists deride because insulting people who do not accept their religion is all they are intellectually capable of doing.

Fortunately, the scientists in question demonstrated professional integrity which has been sorely absent from climate science when they acknowledged the errors and the person who found them.

given your denier history, I'm shocked you would speak this way!  ;D You'll need to pick one: either the scientists were professional in responding (per norm)... or they were, as you stooopidly state, "forced to admit"! Your boy/Crazy Aunt Judy co-author/publish - why not issue a paper challenge instead of wallowing in their fevered denying blog-swamp? Is it because they're a little gun-shy given responses they've received to some of their papers - say it ain't so!

google scholar shows an impressive 282 count for the author in question... so easy for a denyingHack to belittle his lifetime of study/accomplishment, hey! Do you feel emboldened... pumped?
=> https://scholar.google.com/citations?hl=en&user=NPq_XkUAAAAJ&view_op=list_works&sortby=pubdate
=> http://scrippsscholars.ucsd.edu/rkeeling/biocv

a correction has been submitted to the journal; in the interim, a response through RC: http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2018/11/resplandy-et-al-correction-and-response/



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« Reply #230 on: November 28, 2018, 09:14:56 am »
And that does not take into account that this is just one study with a different way to doing a calculation that may or may not be better than prior estimates. When the same thing can be measured in a many different ways you can't assume the latest way to do it is necessarily better.

what a stooopid comment. New methodology either gains acceptance through confirmation - or it remains a somewhat unique outlier. Then again, you've never understood the scientific method - evah!
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« Reply #231 on: November 28, 2018, 12:04:58 pm »
As I posted in an article earlier in this thread....   the latest tactic by climate change deniers is to deny there is anything that can be done, since denying that it is actually takes place makes you look like a complete buffoon.

There is a difference between denying anything can be done and simply recognizing the reality that the solution being proposed is unworkable.
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« Reply #232 on: November 28, 2018, 12:11:03 pm »
BTW, I'm not on two boards. I left mlw when it got way too redneck stupid. And the fuhrer scolded anybody who refuted the wingnuts he liked.

Weren't you banned?
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« Reply #233 on: November 28, 2018, 12:14:41 pm »
There is a difference between denying anything can be done and simply recognizing the reality that the solution being proposed is unworkable.

Except that the deniers will continue to deny, because that's what makes them deniers. After all, no solution is required for something you don't believe is happening. Just hide your eyes whenever those troublesome satellite pics of huge areas of missing arctic sea ice show up. Just stay with your cartoons. 
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« Reply #234 on: November 28, 2018, 12:18:05 pm »
Except that the deniers will continue to deny, because that's what makes them deniers. After all, no solution is required for something you don't believe is happening. Just hide your eyes whenever those troublesome satellite pics of huge areas of missing arctic sea ice show up. Just stay with your cartoons.

I've already given you my proposed solution. Everyone must dye their hair purple.
Just as effective as your solution but infinitely cheaper.
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« Reply #235 on: November 28, 2018, 12:28:34 pm »
I've already given you my proposed solution. Everyone must dye their hair purple.
Just as effective as your solution but infinitely cheaper.

profound! Did you and your posse come up with that solution around your home's jigsaw puzzle table... or in the tee-vee room?

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« Reply #236 on: November 28, 2018, 12:30:48 pm »
I've already given you my proposed solution. Everyone must dye their hair purple.
Just as effective as your solution but infinitely cheaper.

That sounds like a typical denier type solution. I haven't given you mine. I'll leave that to the actual scientists who are tasked with studying the issue. Ah, please don't post pictures of you in your purple hairdo.
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« Reply #237 on: November 28, 2018, 02:27:21 pm »
Weren't you banned?

I probably was after I told CA what I thought of him on a personal note. The place was becoming so far right as well as goofy with the likes of taxme, the bc Canada troll, and that religious freak woman who's handle I can't recall. CA supports them all, but I'm not alt. right so I left.

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« Reply #238 on: November 28, 2018, 02:58:03 pm »
I probably was after I told CA what I thought of him on a personal note. The place was becoming so far right as well as goofy with the likes of taxme, the bc Canada troll, and that religious freak woman who's handle I can't recall. CA supports them all, but I'm not alt. right so I left.

Are you saying MH is alt right? He still posts there.
Taxme and BC look as fine in my ignore file as Omni and Onguardforthee did.
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« Reply #239 on: November 28, 2018, 03:04:24 pm »
Are you saying MH is alt right? He still posts there.
Taxme and BC look as fine in my ignore file as Omni and Onguardforthee did.

And so do you still post there. And no, MH isn't alt right. Maybe read his posts and try to understand.
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