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Re: Climate Change
« Reply #210 on: November 27, 2018, 05:22:15 pm »
As I posted in an article earlier in this thread....   the latest tactic by climate change deniers is to deny there is anything that can be done, since denying that it is actually takes place makes you look like a complete buffoon.

Denying it is taking place would make someone look like a complete buffoon.  Claiming we are doing enough about it to actually make a difference also makes one look like a complete buffoon.

Claiming that someone who acknowledges the truth about efforts to deal with AGW is actually a denier eclipses both in complete buffoonness, and is actually dishonest as well as stupid.
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Re: Climate Change
« Reply #211 on: November 27, 2018, 05:32:59 pm »
As I posted in an article earlier in this thread....   the latest tactic by climate change deniers
I have been saying the same thing about the impossibility of reducing emissions since 1998. The only that has changed is back in 2000 I took climate scientists at their word and was expecting a grim future. I only got optimistic once I started to learn about the science and realized how much of it is driven by group think and a desire to create a catastrophe narrative rather than an honest quest for scientific understanding.
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« Reply #212 on: November 27, 2018, 07:20:48 pm »
What we really need is another meeting!  Poland's not busy...
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Re: Climate Change
« Reply #213 on: November 27, 2018, 08:11:04 pm »
Denying it is taking place would make someone look like a complete buffoon.  Claiming we are doing enough about it to actually make a difference also makes one look like a complete buffoon.

Claiming that someone who acknowledges the truth about efforts to deal with AGW is actually a denier eclipses both in complete buffoonness, and is actually dishonest as well as stupid.

You claim you know the truth about AGW and we should just ignore it. Now that is STUPID. 
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« Reply #214 on: November 27, 2018, 08:26:48 pm »
You claim you know the truth about AGW and we should just ignore it. Now that is STUPID.

Now you're making stuff up again.  As far as I can tell, you're the only one on two boards who does that regularly in response to posts you don't like.  How come?

What I claim is that humans are never, ever going to achieve the level of cooperation required to halt or reverse AGW.  If you think that they are, and I'm wrong about that, then say so.  I won't ask for a cite.

Another thing I claim is that some of things people do in order to look like they are doing something is just for that reason.  In order to look like they are doing something.  So it's pointless.  I have said I don't mind paying taxes.  I don't mind paying more for fuel. (I'm not French) Just don't tell me I'm fixing AGW.
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« Reply #215 on: November 27, 2018, 08:33:19 pm »
Now you're making stuff up again.  As far as I can tell, you're the only one on two boards who does that regularly in response to posts you don't like.  How come?

What I claim is that humans are never, ever going to achieve the level of cooperation required to halt or reverse AGW.  If you think that they are, and I'm wrong about that, then say so.  I won't ask for a cite.

Another thing I claim is that some of things people do in order to look like they are doing something is just for that reason.  In order to look like they are doing something.  So it's pointless.  I have said I don't mind paying taxes.  I don't mind paying more for fuel. (I'm not French) Just don't tell me I'm fixing AGW.

So tell us exactly what it is you think I "made up" We'll get the popcorn.

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« Reply #216 on: November 27, 2018, 08:36:03 pm »
So tell us exactly what it is you think I "made up" We'll get the popcorn.

"You claim you know the truth about AGW and we should just ignore it. Now that is STUPID."

Edit>  Perhaps that's not enough.  I don't claim to know the truth about AGW.  It was only a month or two back that experts on the subject realised they had some effect the oceans had wrong by about 50%, so I don't think anyone does. 

I don't claim we should ignore it.  Quite the opposite.  I think we are ignoring it, except for bluster, and I think we should not be.

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Re: Climate Change
« Reply #217 on: November 27, 2018, 08:47:46 pm »
Now you're making stuff up again.  As far as I can tell, you're the only one on two boards who does that regularly in response to posts you don't like.  How come?

What I claim is that humans are never, ever going to achieve the level of cooperation required to halt or reverse AGW.  If you think that they are, and I'm wrong about that, then say so.  I won't ask for a cite.

Another thing I claim is that some of things people do in order to look like they are doing something is just for that reason.  In order to look like they are doing something.  So it's pointless.  I have said I don't mind paying taxes.  I don't mind paying more for fuel. (I'm not French) Just don't tell me I'm fixing AGW.

BTW, I'm not on two boards. I left mlw when it got way too redneck stupid. And the fuhrer scolded anybody who refuted the wingnuts he liked.

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« Reply #218 on: November 27, 2018, 08:48:31 pm »
BTW, I'm not on two boards. I left mlw when it got way too redneck stupid. And the fuhrer scolded anybody who refuted the wingnuts he liked.

I know.  I am though.
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Re: Climate Change
« Reply #219 on: November 27, 2018, 08:51:33 pm »
I know.  I am though.

Good for you l'il buddy.

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« Reply #220 on: November 27, 2018, 08:56:27 pm »
Good for you l'il buddy.

Well, I was the one making the claim, so it is not necessary for you to be on both.
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Re: Climate Change
« Reply #221 on: November 28, 2018, 01:34:40 am »
from Tuesday's WAPO interview with Trump:

 

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« Reply #222 on: November 28, 2018, 01:42:55 am »
Edit>  Perhaps that's not enough.  I don't claim to know the truth about AGW.  It was only a month or two back that experts on the subject realised they had some effect the oceans had wrong by about 50%, so I don't think anyone does.

no - as a part of standard 'peer response', a couple of errors were found; accordingly, per norm, the paper will be corrected. Per the lead author, expectations are that required changes/corrections will have a small impact on the calculations of overall ocean heat uptake (in line with some "dozen" prior paper findings")... but with larger margins of error.

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« Reply #223 on: November 28, 2018, 01:55:56 am »
Simple. All we have to do is rake the leaves, and global warming is taken care of. Melting glaciers? no sweat, we just install a coal fired heater to warm that water a bit more and we charge admission to a health spa where you can "float to relax" Raging wildfires? we sell sharp sticks and bags of marshmallows. Rising sea level, buy a boat. Too hot? we have air conditioning here in the white house. And on and on... 
300 climate scientists, over a thousand pages of a report, what the **** do they know? Oops, my hair piece floated away.

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« Reply #224 on: November 28, 2018, 07:05:26 am »
It was only a month or two back that experts on the subject realised they had some effect the oceans had wrong by about 50%, so I don't think anyone does.
And shortly afterwards the authors were forced to admit that they made significant math errors that meant their conclusions could not be supported by the data. These math errors were uncovered and published by "blog science" which alarmists deride because insulting people who do not accept their religion is all they are intellectually capable of doing.

Fortunately, the scientists in question demonstrated professional integrity which has been sorely absent from climate science when they acknowledged the errors and the person who found them.

https://judithcurry.com/2018/11/19/admitting-mistakes-in-a-hostile-environment/#more-24476
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