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Offline wilber

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Re: Covid Culture (was Outbreak Culture)
« Reply #1965 on: September 16, 2020, 11:43:12 am »
So none of your links say how the orders will be filled between the different countries.  I’m already aware that many countries have ordered vaccines from several companies. 

Please provide a cite that states which number Canada is in the line, since your contention is that we’re way down near the bottom.

I don't know where we will be but it won't be at the top. Those orders by other countries were made before ours. There is no reason to order anything on spec before it has finished testing other than getting a better delivery date. That is simple logic.
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Re: Covid Culture (was Outbreak Culture)
« Reply #1966 on: September 16, 2020, 06:28:22 pm »
Why order early if you aren't reserving slots? If you aren't getting some kind of priority, why not wait till testing is finished?

I don't know that we will be last but we sure won't be at the head of the list.
I don't know where we will be but it won't be at the top. Those orders by other countries were made before ours. There is no reason to order anything on spec before it has finished testing other than getting a better delivery date. That is simple logic.
that's right - YOU DON'T KNOW! You don't know ALL the particulars of so-called pre-purchase agreements. You don't know which countries are relying entirely upon outside manufacturing of successful vaccine candidates... or which countries, per agreement, have secured the rights to manufacture the vaccine themselves... or which countries will be relying upon a mix of outside manufacturing and, per agreement, secured rights to allow in-country manufacturing. YOU DON'T KNOW!

no reason to order anything on spec? Say what? C'mon member wilber... some of those "on-spec" orders by countries are associated with allowing respective manufacturers to run trials in those on-spec ordering countries. But, of course, those countries have to have that high-disease burden to properly support a phase 3 trial - which, apparently, Canada doesn't have:
...founder & CEO of CanSinoBIO, Xuefeng Yu... highlights, Canada lacks a "high disease burden" required for Phase 3 trials:

in any case, CanSinoBIO moved on to sign partnership agreements with companies in Russia, South America and East Africa - where that so-called, "heavy disease burden" suitable for Phase 3 trials exists.

member wilber, when does your "on-spec" order agreement become a... partnership agreement? Oh wait, is that another reason?

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Re: Covid Culture (was Outbreak Culture)
« Reply #1967 on: September 16, 2020, 06:35:15 pm »
ultimately, this rush to so-called "Vaccine Nationalism" will be tempered with a realization that the global nature of the pandemic requires ALL countries receive a vaccine in the same general timeframe... which realistically... practically, means per-country selective vaccination of essential persons, those at high(er) risk, etc.. Obviously, we are not safe unless everyone is safe - a country can't go back to "normal" if raging epidemics persist across much of the rest of the world - GLOBAL economic recovery!

oh snap! The CDC Director (Dr. Robert Redfield) was supposedly already on 'thin-ice' with Trumpy... now, today, he undercuts what Trump has said many times over; as recent as yesterday claiming a vaccine is but "3 weeks away"!  ;D Most Americans probably won't be able to get a Covid-19 vaccine until mid-2021, CDC director says

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While a "very limited supply" of a Covid-19 vaccine might be ready in November or December, it "will have to be prioritized," CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield told the Senate Appropriations subcommittee Wednesday.

"It will be those first responders and those at greatest risk for death, and then eventually that will expand," he said.

"If you're asking me when is it going to be generally available to the American public, so we can begin to take advantage of vaccine to get back to our regular life, I think we're probably looking at third, late second quarter, third quarter 2021."

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Re: Covid Culture (was Outbreak Culture)
« Reply #1969 on: September 17, 2020, 10:49:05 pm »

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Re: Covid Culture (was Outbreak Culture)
« Reply #1970 on: September 19, 2020, 01:11:41 am »
Bloc Québécois Leader Yves-François Blanchet has tested positive for COVID-19.


CPC leader O'Tool purposely crafted a means to disingenuously attack the governing Liberal Party/PM Trudeau: as Parliament is an essential service, MPs (and their families) have access to dedicated COVID-19 testing services. In spite of this, O'Tool initially chose not to use this available service; instead, as a "man of the peeps", opted to take the public route in Ottawa... despite it being widely known that this public route was backed up for days given a lack of (Ontario provincial domain) testing capacity.

so... O'Tool decides to stage an act of fake outrage over waiting then being turned away at the public test center... and puts out a widely covered press release emphasizing, "the Trudeau Liberals have created this mess by refusing to approve other testing methods". In actuality, Health Canada regulators are currently reviewing 3 rapid testing options - but have real concerns about the accuracy of the testing; specifically: "Quidel Corporation's Sofia 2 SARS device, Becton Dickinson's Veritor System for Rapid Detection of SARS-CoV-2 and a third candidate, Korean-based SD Biosensor, Inc". Of course, CPC Shadow Health critic, BuffaloGal Rempel, takes up the charge and doubles-down on the claimed government failure!

by the by: O'Tool then decides to take the fam to the dedicated testing service for MPs and family members. Wait, what's this:

CPC leader O'Tool tests positive for COVID-19. Oh my!

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Re: Covid Culture (was Outbreak Culture)
« Reply #1971 on: September 25, 2020, 01:53:27 am »
I thought Erin O'Toole could end up with serious repercussions of COVID, but holy crap, he's 47?!?  He looks like late 50's/early 60's.

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Re: Covid Culture (was Outbreak Culture)
« Reply #1972 on: September 25, 2020, 01:46:39 pm »
I thought Erin O'Toole could end up with serious repercussions of COVID, but holy crap, he's 47?!?  He looks like late 50's/early 60's.

rode hard and put away wet!!!  ;D

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Re: Covid Culture (was Outbreak Culture)
« Reply #1973 on: September 25, 2020, 01:58:24 pm »
by the by: shyte happens - Sept 9, 2020!

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A large, Phase 3 study testing a Covid-19 vaccine being developed by AstraZeneca and the University of Oxford at dozens of sites across the U.S. has been put on hold due to a suspected serious adverse reaction in a participant in the United Kingdom.

The participant who triggered a global shutdown of AstraZeneca’s Phase 3 Covid-19 vaccine trials was a woman in the United Kingdom who experienced neurological symptoms consistent with a rare but serious spinal inflammatory disorder called transverse myelitis, the drug maker’s chief executive, Pascal Soriot, said during a private conference call with investors on Wednesday morning.
https://globalnews.ca/news/7330996/astrazeneca-coronavirus-vaccine-trials-resume/

the waldo let this slide... but going on 2 weeks now, it's now time to highlight the U.S. trial still remains 'paused': With AstraZeneca's vaccine trial still on pause in US, questions abound about study participants' mysterious illnesses
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Re: Covid Culture (was Outbreak Culture)
« Reply #1974 on: September 25, 2020, 02:03:36 pm »
to-date, secured formal dose agreements have been reached between the Government of Canada and the following drug manufacturers using their respective candidate vaccines:

=> Pfizer - BNT162
=> Moderna - mRNA-1273
=> Novavax - NVX-CoV2373
=> Johnson & Johnson - Ad26.COV2-S
=> University of Oxford / AstraZeneca - ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 (Canada is in the final stages of negotiations to secure this candidate)

wait, what!  ;D ... just throwin' member wilber a bone!

Canada has signed deal for AstraZeneca vaccine candidate: PM

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Canada has signed a deal with Cambridge-based AstraZeneca PLC to buy up to 20 million doses of its COVID-19 vaccine candidate, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said on Friday.

Trudeau also told a news conference that Ottawa would invest C$440 million ($328 million) in the COVID-19 vaccine Global Access Facility, a global procurement mechanism designed to help deliver fair, equitable and timely access to vaccines.

Canada has already struck agreements for a total of around 300 million doses of vaccine candidates from Pfizer Inc, Novavax Inc, Sanofi, GlaxoSmithKline Plc, Moderna and Johnson & Johnson.


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Re: Covid Culture (was Outbreak Culture)
« Reply #1975 on: September 26, 2020, 02:25:16 am »
Quote from: #pigeonPierre
You may want to address COVID-19 with big fat government programs; we're conservatives, we don't believe in that

Deputy Prime Minister Freeland reminds the CPC MP for Carleton, Pierre Poilievre, what he said when asked what support the government should offer to Canadians hurt by the pandemic: