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Barbados nixes Queen as Head of State
« on: October 22, 2021, 01:43:30 am »
The Governor General of Barbados has been elected that country's president.

What does this mean for Canada? Will there be more republican movements in the Commonwealth realms?

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/22/americas/barbados-elects-first-president-intl-hnk/index.html
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Re: Barbados nixes Queen as Head of State
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2021, 05:32:11 am »
After Trump, I am more of a royalist. 

They could conceivably refuse to sign a bill that constituted a clear and existential threat to our democracy.  The US doesn't have that.  Trump is favoured to win in 2024.
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Re: Barbados nixes Queen as Head of State
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2021, 12:47:20 pm »
After Trump, I am more of a royalist. 

They could conceivably refuse to sign a bill that constituted a clear and existential threat to our democracy.  The US doesn't have that.  Trump is favoured to win in 2024.

That's true, but the US has other checks and balances.  Trump, for instance, can't introduce a law or vote on it, not true for our PM.  But it's nice to have the GG as a tool in our back pocket just in case.

Of course, it's just as easy for us to replace the Crown/GG with a president (elected or appointed), and have them serve virtually the exact same role.

I do know that many Quebecers and I assume many indigenous aren't fans of the Crown, which i can understand.  It might be unifying to get rid of the Crown, but then the loyalists would be quite upset, so I could see major fights.  In this political climate I would avoid dealing with this issue right now.
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« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2021, 12:49:06 pm »
That's true, but the US has other checks and balances.  Trump, for instance, can't introduce a law or vote on it, not true for our PM.  But it's nice to have the GG as a tool in our back pocket just in case.

Of course, it's just as easy for us to replace the Crown/GG with a president (elected or appointed), and have them serve virtually the exact same role.

I do know that many Quebecers and I assume many indigenous aren't fans of the Crown, which i can understand.  It might be unifying to get rid of the Crown, but then the loyalists would be quite upset, so I could see major fights.  In this political climate I would avoid dealing with this issue right now.

The checks and balances the US has have shown themselves to be weak.

Oh I wouldn't deal with it right now ... not at all.

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Re: Barbados nixes Queen as Head of State
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2021, 04:03:01 pm »
That's true, but the US has other checks and balances.  Trump, for instance, can't introduce a law or vote on it, not true for our PM.

Realistically, a president can always get a bill introduced into congress by simply calling a friendly congressman or senator. If Trump wanted a bill introduced to name the moon after him just about every Republican would vote in favour, and do so enthusiastically.

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I do know that many Quebecers and I assume many indigenous aren't fans of the Crown, which i can understand.  It might be unifying to get rid of the Crown, but then the loyalists would be quite upset, so I could see major fights.  In this political climate I would avoid dealing with this issue right now.
The loyalists would be more than a little upset, and they'd be furious not just at whatever party was behind it but whatever parties supported it, including Quebecers and indigenous people. And that fury would likely last for the remainder of their lives.

No party is going to do this, though, because there's no political profit in it. There is a tiny group of people who really want to do away with the monarchy, a larger group making up about a third of the population wanting to keep the monarchy, and the rest are 'bleh, whatever'. The bleh people aren't going to reward the party which got rid of the monarchy but the loyalists will despise that party forever.

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Re: Barbados nixes Queen as Head of State
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2021, 05:07:46 pm »
The checks and balances the US has have shown themselves to be weak.

Oh I wouldn't deal with it right now ... not at all.

Well the system worked, Trump was bounced.

If Trump was the PM he could nominate Senators, Supreme Court Justices, handpick a GG friendly to him, choose cabinet, and tell his MP's to vote how he wants our else bounce them JWR-style.  Plus no term limits.
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Re: Barbados nixes Queen as Head of State
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2021, 06:51:32 pm »
The Governor General of Barbados has been elected that country's president.

What does this mean for Canada? Will there be more republican movements in the Commonwealth realms?

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/22/americas/barbados-elects-first-president-intl-hnk/index.html

Barbados' decision to leave the Commonwealth means nothing for Canada. 
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