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Offline Squidward von Squidderson

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« Reply #1125 on: July 09, 2021, 01:56:01 am »
Actually with adapters Teslas can use any chargers but no one else can use Tesla chargers.

Oh.  So the people in your post are just dumb?  Go find a different charger instead of waiting at a broken Tesla charger? 

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« Reply #1126 on: July 09, 2021, 11:39:39 am »
Oh.  So the people in your post are just dumb?  Go find a different charger instead of waiting at a broken Tesla charger?

I don't know how many other chargers are in Hope. If I owned another brand and had to wait for hours behind a bunch of Teslas to use another charger when I can't use a Tesla charger I would not be impressed. That is where we are with charger infrastructure and why big changes are needed if this is to be mainstream.

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« Reply #1127 on: July 09, 2021, 02:27:54 pm »
Our neighbours have a Tesla 3 and a Jeep Wrangler. The are heading up to Prince George tomorrow to visit the grand kids. They always take the Jeep even though the Tesla should be much more comfortable on a 7+ hour drive. The Tesla just isn't practical.
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« Reply #1128 on: July 09, 2021, 02:32:31 pm »
Oh.  So the people in your post are just dumb?  Go find a different charger instead of waiting at a broken Tesla charger?

It's 400K from Vancouver to Kelowna so Hope shouldn't be the only option for a recharge unless you didn't charge before heading out or they were trying to make the drive with a low-range vehicle which was manufactured for commuting and not long distance.  Not to mention, there is also a charging station halfway between Hope and Merritt. 

Wilber's friend's friends really do sound ill prepared for an EV road trip.

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« Reply #1129 on: July 09, 2021, 07:59:29 pm »
So why was there a 2 1/2 hr wait to charge in Hope, was everyone else just as ill prepared?

Tesla has chargers in Hope, Merritt and Kelowna on that route. Plug Share shows other non Tesla chargers in Merritt plus a couple of two unit chargers at the old Toll Booth and Loon Lake rest stops.

High speed highway driving really effects range of EV’s because of the constant level of power required to overcome wind resistance. They do much better in lower speed urban environments. The Coquihalla’s 110KPH speed limit combined with its long  grades of up to 9% and air conditioners going full tilt  in 35 degree weather would be range killers.
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« Reply #1130 on: July 09, 2021, 08:13:19 pm »
A friend just sent me a photo of the line at the Tesla Supercharger in Hope on the long weekend.  Three of the five chargers were down and he waited two and a half hours to charge. The person who took it and sent him the photo left Vancouver at 10:30 AM and got to Kelowna at 7:30 PM for what is normally no more than a 4 1/2 hour drive. But we will all be driving EV's god help us.

I fully support EVs taking over gas vehicles, but you also have to be careful not to put the cart before the horse, while also knowing you need to support technology for it to take off, improve, and get cheaper.  It's a tough balance I think.

For me i'm not ready to buy an EV.  The infrastructure just isn't there.  I'll let the early adopters figure out the growing pains.  I might look into a hybrid for my next vehicle though if the price/cost make sense.
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« Reply #1131 on: July 09, 2021, 08:17:00 pm »
Actually with adapters Teslas can use any chargers but no one else can use Tesla chargers.

So Tesla is guarding IP and whatnot and making hardware difficult like Apple does?  That's nice geez.

F*** Tesla.  Trendy consumer items are so annoying.  I'm the least bourgie person alive.  EVs won't go well if Tesla has a grip on the tech, we need people driving Honda and Toyota and Ford EVs etc.  We need prices to drop, not trendy expensive EVs like how Apple phones and laptops are so expensive for what you get.
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« Reply #1132 on: July 09, 2021, 08:20:23 pm »
I don't know how many other chargers are in Hope. If I owned another brand and had to wait for hours behind a bunch of Teslas to use another charger when I can't use a Tesla charger I would not be impressed. That is where we are with charger infrastructure and why big changes are needed if this is to be mainstream.

How long does it take to charge an EV at a charging station?  Last I knew it was like 20-30 minutes.

The infrastructure that looks promising is where charging stations would just quickly swap out your empty battery for a new one, so probably a shorter wait than than filling a tank of gas.
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« Reply #1133 on: July 09, 2021, 08:26:52 pm »
How long does it take to charge an EV at a charging station?  Last I knew it was like 20-30 minutes.

The infrastructure that looks promising is where charging stations would just quickly swap out your empty battery for a new one, so probably a shorter wait than than filling a tank of gas.

20 to 30 minutes on a quick charger but you can only quick charge a battery to 80% capacity, the last 20% has to be done on a slow charge.
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« Reply #1134 on: July 09, 2021, 09:17:34 pm »
So Tesla is guarding IP and whatnot and making hardware difficult like Apple does?  That's nice geez.

F*** Tesla.  Trendy consumer items are so annoying.  I'm the least bourgie person alive.  EVs won't go well if Tesla has a grip on the tech, we need people driving Honda and Toyota and Ford EVs etc.  We need prices to drop, not trendy expensive EVs like how Apple phones and laptops are so expensive for what you get.

Nothing fancy, there is nothing unique about their system, the software just won’t let it work unless
 attached to a Tesla.

I’ve never pulled into a gas station and not been able to fill up because I was driving the wrong brand of car.
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« Reply #1135 on: July 09, 2021, 10:43:50 pm »
Nothing fancy, there is nothing unique about their system, the software just won’t let it work unless
 attached to a Tesla.

Yeah that just sounds like they're being a d-bag trying to control market share and whatnot.
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« Reply #1136 on: July 10, 2021, 11:35:34 am »
The Tesla charger line at Hope on the long weekend.

I finally figured out how to post it.
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« Reply #1137 on: July 10, 2021, 05:00:17 pm »
So why was there a 2 1/2 hr wait to charge in Hope, was everyone else just as ill prepared?

Tesla has chargers in Hope, Merritt and Kelowna on that route. Plug Share shows other non Tesla chargers in Merritt plus a couple of two unit chargers at the old Toll Booth and Loon Lake rest stops.

High speed highway driving really effects range of EV’s because of the constant level of power required to overcome wind resistance. They do much better in lower speed urban environments. The Coquihalla’s 110KPH speed limit combined with its long  grades of up to 9% and air conditioners going full tilt  in 35 degree weather would be range killers.

The one on the Coquihalla (between Hope and Merrit) is only 200K from Vancouver.  Even assuming the wind resistance and weather conditions, the Kona, Niro, Model 3, Bolt... all should've made it to that one. 

Obviously it happened, it just doesn't make any sense why so many people stopped at a broken one in Hope... unless they were attempting a road trip on a lower range vehicle with the presumption that the Hope one would be open. 

That's not a very bright plan, I wouldn't head out on a road trip without a good range EV.
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« Reply #1138 on: July 10, 2021, 08:39:10 pm »
Except for older Model S and Standard range Model 3's which are special order because on one buys them, all Teslas have EPA range ratings of over 500 KM, a few are over 600 KM. Real world can be very different.
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« Reply #1139 on: July 10, 2021, 09:44:36 pm »
Right now the Tesla's seem like city cars.  You charge them at night at your place and then scoot around town.  Give it 10-15 years for the infrastructure and technology.

I get the carbon taxes on gas and whatnot but EVs just aren't viable for many people yet.  It would be interesting to jump 30 years in the future to see where we're at with cars.  I have a feeling gas vehicles will be stubbornly resilient.  Like newspapers, books, and cable TV.
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