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Offline wilber

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Re: Climate Change
« Reply #1080 on: July 02, 2021, 09:03:47 pm »
Canada's high GHG levels largely come from industry and transportation, not residential.

http://prairieclimatecentre.ca/2018/03/where-do-canadas-greenhouse-gas-emissions-come-from/

The oil and gas industry is Canada’s leading GHG emitter. Emissions from the transportation sector are a close second.

It's also our largest export.
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Re: Climate Change
« Reply #1081 on: July 02, 2021, 09:17:58 pm »


32% of Lib supporters are idiots vs 72% of Con supporters.

No wonder the Libs only pay lip service to climate change.

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« Reply #1082 on: July 02, 2021, 10:31:20 pm »
what the knowNothingSquiggy calls "lip service":

I should also add, the Liberals are far from trustworthy on the climate file.  They have kicked the can down the road and failed to implement much of any plan....   even when they had a plan, they simply ignored it. 

We will see about the carbon tax and if they will make it actually work.   They haven't shown $hit yet.

LOL Trudeau has been all talk, no action on climate.

of course member squid, you were already called out on this drive-by shyte of yours - yes? You have no standing to make such drive-by nothingness... I mean, c'mon member squid... you're one of those know-nothing cheerleaders for the farcical Green Party that's going no where!

here member squid, reach a little - read, educate yourself... save yourself further embarassment:

May/GP "Mission Improbable" plan receives C- grade for feasibility

so much ambition, so little feasibility - oh the humanity! ;D


perhaps progress reports from the Pan-Canadian Framework would shut your trap-hole... but... let's start with the following and have you show just how naive and 'knowledge lacking' you truly are - yes:



Publications:
=> Pan-Canadian Framework on Clean Growth and Climate Change
=> Federal actions for a clean growth economy

Annual Reports:
=> First annual synthesis report on the status of implementation (2017)
     => Annex 1: Status of all Pan-Canadian Framework actions
=> Second annual synthesis report on the status of implementation (2018)
=> Third annual synthesis report on the status of implementation (2019)


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Re: Climate Change
« Reply #1083 on: July 02, 2021, 10:38:44 pm »
more "lip service", hey member squiggy:

Government of Canada legislates climate accountability with first net-zero emissions law

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OTTAWA, ON, June 30, 2021 /CNW/ - The best available science and economic analysis tells us that getting to net-zero emissions in the next 30 years is essential to avert the worst impacts of climate change and fully seize the economic opportunities that it presents. That's why the Government of Canada has committed to reach net zero by 2050.

Yesterday, the Minister of Environment and Climate Change, the Honourable Jonathan Wilkinson, welcomed Royal Assent of the Canadian Net-Zero Emissions Accountability Act, which has become law. It marks the first time a Canadian government has legislated emissions reductions accountability to address climate change, by setting legal requirements on the current government and future governments to plan, report, and course correct on the path to net-zero emissions by or before 2050.   

More specifically, the Act:

    - Enshrines in legislation Canada's commitment to set national targets for the reduction of greenhouse gas emissions in Canada with the objective of attaining net-zero emissions by 2050.
    - Enshrines the 2030 greenhouse gas emissions target as being Canada's Nationally Determined Contribution under the Paris Agreement, which will be 40-45% below 2005 levels, by 2030, as announced by Prime Minister Trudeau in April 2021. This new, more ambitious target will be formally submitted to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change shortly.
    - Requires the Minister of Environment and Climate Change to set the subsequent 2035, 2040 and 2045 targets at least 10 years in advance.

The Act also provides accountability and transparency by:

    - Requiring an emissions reduction plan, a progress report, and an assessment report for each target to be tabled in both Houses of Parliament and made available to the public.
    - Providing for public participation when setting or amending a target or plan.
    - Formally establishing the Net-Zero Advisory Body as a Governor in Council-appointed body that will provide the Minister of Environment and Climate Change with independent advice on achieving net-zero emissions by 2050.
    - Requiring the Minister of Finance to prepare an annual report respecting key measures that the federal public administration has taken to manage its financial risks and opportunities related to climate change.
    - Requiring the Commissioner of the Environment and Sustainable Development to, at least once every five years starting no later than the end of 2024, examine and report on the Government of Canada's implementation of measures aimed at mitigating climate change.
    - Providing for a comprehensive review of the Act, five years after it comes into force.
    - Enshrining the role of Indigenous Knowledge in the climate accountability process.

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Re: Climate Change
« Reply #1084 on: July 02, 2021, 11:47:46 pm »
yet more "lip service", hey member squiggy!

further to the aforementioned iterative progress reports from the Pan-Canadian framework:


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Re: Climate Change
« Reply #1085 on: July 02, 2021, 11:59:16 pm »
Government of Canada legislates climate accountability with first net-zero emissions law


a waldoSplainer on net-zero:

let the waldo start with a basic reference to Net Zero, as in reaching CLIMATE NEUTRALITY => in that transition to a low-carbon economy, there will still be GHG emissions; however, towards Net Zero, these emissions will need to be balanced out by removal of GHGs from the atmosphere... like through, for example, forest restoration, DACS technologies (Direct Air Capture & Storage), etc..

conventional mitigation measures + carbon removal technologies => Net Zero


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Re: Climate Change
« Reply #1086 on: July 03, 2021, 01:08:39 am »
Trudeau the environmentalist. 

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Since then, of course, Trudeau has often used variants of the same phrase—that we can have both a healthy economy and healthy air—in an attempt to justify Canada’s inaction. To an audience of Texas oilmen, Trudeau sang a different tune, affirming, “No country would find 173 billion barrels of oil in the ground and just leave them there.” Trudeau also promised to stop subsidizing the oil and gas sector then bought a pipeline.
https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/how-canada-became-an-environmental-outlier/
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Re: Climate Change
« Reply #1087 on: July 03, 2021, 05:02:50 am »
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To an audience of Texas oilmen, Trudeau sang a different tune, affirming, “No country would find 173 billion barrels of oil in the ground and just leave them there.” Trudeau also promised to stop subsidizing the oil and gas sector then bought a pipeline.

oh shyte member squiggy, after taking such a pounding over your "lip service" nonsense, the best you can do is reach for an op-ed from Mulcair! Oh my - that azzhole has no credibility - none!

Mulcair favours west-to-east pipeline for Alberta oilsands crude "Tom Mulcair's enthusiasm for a west-to-east oil pipeline has not dimmed, despite mounting opposition among environmentalists and provincial politicians in the NDP's home base of Quebec. Energy East still makes the most sense of any proposal for pumping Alberta's oilsands crude to tidewater, the NDP leader says."


c'mon man - if you're going to quote PM Trudeau, you really should include the full quote/context... here, chew on this:

Quote from: Prime Minister Justin Trudeau
As I said on the very first trip to the oil patch back in 2012, no country would find 173 billion barrels of oil in the ground and just leave them there.

The resource will be developed. Our job is to ensure that this is done responsibly, safely, and sustainably.

as for the Trans Mountain pipeline purchase, that action was to ensure it wasn't abandoned outright by Kinder Morgan; an action with economic benefits for Canada and Alberta. If you'd like to take this further make sure you start with the agreements to cap oilsands emissions, and where that pipeline purchase fit in terms of driving those agreements, hey!

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Re: Climate Change
« Reply #1088 on: July 03, 2021, 05:08:02 am »
geezaz member squiggy! I'm shocked you have nothing to say to those multiple posts that fully refute your stooopid "lip service" comment - shocked I tells ya!

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Re: Climate Change
« Reply #1089 on: July 03, 2021, 08:50:46 pm »
Canada has 38 million people, the world has 7 billion.  Whatever Canada does climate-wise is only a small drop in the bucket and won't make a big impact either way.  We should do our share but we really shouldn't get too anxious about our own policy, we should worry about US or Chinese policy.  Canadians panicking about what we do or don't is just overkill.
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Re: Climate Change
« Reply #1090 on: July 03, 2021, 10:03:23 pm »
Canada has 38 million people, the world has 7 billion.  Whatever Canada does climate-wise is only a small drop in the bucket and won't make a big impact either way.  We should do our share but we really shouldn't get too anxious about our own policy, we should worry about US or Chinese policy.  Canadians panicking about what we do or don't is just overkill.

Dismissing responsibility based on population....how far down the line do you take that?

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Re: Climate Change
« Reply #1091 on: July 03, 2021, 10:26:09 pm »
Dismissing responsibility based on population....how far down the line do you take that?

It's been calculated that it would take 4.1 earths to give everyone on the planet the same standard of living as the average American. So how much are we prepared to give up? How far down the line do you take it?
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Re: Climate Change
« Reply #1092 on: July 03, 2021, 11:17:24 pm »
Dismissing responsibility based on population....how far down the line do you take that?

As I said, we have a responsibility to more or less do our part, i'm just saying we shouldn't act like the fate of the world depends on what we do.  Nor should we behave like we have no responsibility and can just do whatever we want.
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Re: Climate Change
« Reply #1093 on: July 04, 2021, 09:25:18 am »
Canada produces just over 1.6% of global CO2 emissions. The reality is that anything we do as a country will be little more than a gesture when it comes to affecting climate change. How far do we want to go to make that gesture?

Trudeau is increasing immigration to 400K a year. That means an over 30% in increase in population through immigration alone by 2050, yet by some sort of magic we are going to achieve net zero missions in a cold sparsely populated country and maintain our present standard of living.
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Re: Climate Change
« Reply #1094 on: July 05, 2021, 12:46:07 pm »
Per capita, we’re the worst polluter in the world. 

Canada has to take a leadership role in the world, since we’re one of the richest countries.  To do otherwise is irresponsible and will simply promote the status quo for the populace countries to not do anything.  It will be all about “remaining competitive” if China has to reduce their total emissions but Canada can keep polluting at the same rate we are, which is much higher.

The simple fact is that rich countries got rich by polluting and now will have to bear more of the cost to curb emissions.  We will need to figure out how, implement it, and export that knowledge and tech to the rest of the world.  To do anything else will mean no one does anything.
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