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« Reply #45 on: April 05, 2018, 04:27:13 pm »
With Bombardier now in bed with Airbus on the C, Boeing is probably getting a bit nervous.

Indeed. They produce what China is in the market for and I bet they are in a mood to thumb their nose at Trump just now.

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« Reply #46 on: April 06, 2018, 12:05:56 am »
Soooooo apparently the Chinese tariffs on soy and cotton will badly hurt the very Deep South deadbeat farmers who put Trump in the White House in the first place.


Seems kinda fitting.

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« Reply #47 on: April 06, 2018, 12:52:43 am »
Maybe if one of them that good ole boys ever figure that out they will throw a clip in that that ar 15 and go take care of the problem.

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« Reply #48 on: April 06, 2018, 06:55:39 am »
Soooooo apparently the Chinese tariffs on soy and cotton will badly hurt the very Deep South deadbeat farmers who put Trump in the White House in the first place.


Seems kinda fitting.

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I doubt that's an accident.  The US has a distinct disadvantage in that the entire world knows them more than they care to know about others.

Trump says "China is hurting us" and they come up with a blunt attack approach, using the dumb Trump voters to support it.  The US's internal politics is open, and very well publicized, so China can be surgical with its response.


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« Reply #49 on: April 06, 2018, 08:40:30 am »
I mean... it could also be that China buys a lot of US soy and cotton.

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« Reply #50 on: April 06, 2018, 12:35:22 pm »
Both probably. The EU was going to impose tariffs on industries that were based in McConnell's and Ryan's states. No doubt the Chinese would like to target areas of Trump support.
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« Reply #51 on: April 06, 2018, 01:26:05 pm »
Soooooo apparently the Chinese tariffs on soy and cotton will badly hurt the very Deep South deadbeat farmers who put Trump in the White House in the first place.

Americans like to give huge subsidies to soy, corn, wheat, and I assume cotton as well. Dairy farms are also heavily subsidized. They squeal like pigs about our softwood lumber, perhaps tariffs are the only way to level the playing field.

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« Reply #52 on: April 07, 2018, 10:33:08 am »
For anyone pissing on the US they are not doing anything different than any other country in the world which is trying to look after their own best economic interests. Canada and everyone else does it. This high almighty approach to the US as if its the only hooker walking the street is a joke.

Next, China is a cancer. It has used its centralized government structure to create a large predatory monopoly using cheap labour and artificial lowering of its currency, to assure gross trade imbalances with every nation it trades with.

China has created its entire financial base on cheap, inferior, dangerous goods. It has undercut free trade by fixing prices and swamping markets with crap. Ultimately we the consumer created China. We use short sighted purchasing principles- we choose to buy crap because its cheaper and we no longer care about quality or use common sense thinking if we buy cheap Chinese crap it breaks, and we end up buying even more cheap crap to replace it rather than paying up front once for a product that lasts. We have all been hooked into that.

Walmart has made a fortune engaging in predatory marketing on behalf of China to flood its markets with crap perishable foods from China on its shelves courtesy of human feces irrigation systems.

Please don't pose China as a victim its a  victimizer-a vast, monopoly with no human rights, no health and safety regulations or consumer standards. Its a cancer on the world in terms of what it contributes. It sucks energy. Its sole offering to the world since 1949 has been to create **** inferior productsand excellent hackers who break in and steal industrial secrets from the idiot West.

Trump is a weasel as an individual. Playing the I hate Trump card is easy because it ignores what China is and what it has done to the free market supply and demand system.

Trump did not create China, human stupidity, laziness and greed did and it won't be stopped by Trump.

As for Trudeau, I find it rich some of you **** on Trump and stay silent on the Prancing Prince, Mr. Dress Up, St. Justine of Trudeau and his comments applauding China. Atta boy Fidel Jr.
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« Reply #53 on: April 07, 2018, 10:55:24 am »
I disagree that Trump and those like him didn't help make China. Most of his and his families product lines are produced in places like China and Bangladesh.

Do you think Trump will get around to imposing tariffs on goods he and his family have manufactured in China.

That said, I agree with you when it comes to what China is and that the US and others have valid complaints when it comes to China's trade practices.
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« Reply #54 on: April 07, 2018, 10:59:28 am »
Next, China is a cancer. It has used its centralized government structure to create a large predatory monopoly using cheap labour and artificial lowering of its currency, to assure gross trade imbalances with every nation it trades with.



notwithstanding the ever present most simpletonTrumpster view on trade deficits... a view that doesn't consider the bigger picture in terms of capital accounts, financial (current) accounts, capital flows, exchange rates, etc..

the U.S. is, quite obviously, an investor nation - it invests more than it saves and, accordingly, imports foreign capital and correspondingly runs a capital account surplus. That foreign imported capital allows U.S. citizens to consume more goods than they produce... hence... a resulting trade deficit. If you properly consider balance of payments, when you isolate solely on just the current account side of that balance (let alone just one facet of current accounts (goods trading)) you completely ignore the other side of that balance equation - you ignore capital accounts... the buying and selling of investment assets such as real estate, stocks, bonds, and government securities. And, of course, within that current-to-capital accounts relationship, you ignore exchange rates.
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« Reply #55 on: April 07, 2018, 11:01:42 am »
Do you think Trump will get around to imposing tariffs on goods he and his family have manufactured in China.

Ivanka Trump’s clothing company will be spared from tariffs, thanks to her dad --- https://thinkprogress.org/ivanka-trump-clothing-tariffs-437840f07b83/

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« Reply #56 on: April 08, 2018, 11:27:41 am »
Ivanka Trump’s clothing company will be spared from tariffs, thanks to her dad --- https://thinkprogress.org/ivanka-trump-clothing-tariffs-437840f07b83/

Just the latest of the multitude of ethical conflicts between Trump businesses and White House influence.

They claim that clothing was exempted because of "a complex algorithm intended to minimize the impact of tariffs on American consumers", which seems like a plausible explanation.  Regular Joe and Jane buy lots of made-in-China things, including clothes, and a big tariff on that stuff would directly affect the average consumer.   But there is clearly a conflict of interest.

During the 1990s conservatives considered it a scandal that the Clintons may have used official influence to benefit the Whitewater development they had invested in.  During the campaign, conservatives considered it a scandal that the Clintons may have used official influence to benefit the Clinton Foundation.

But now conservatives no longer consider it a scandal that the White House uses influence to benefit private Trump business interests. "don't care about that, gotta get that wall built!"


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« Reply #57 on: April 08, 2018, 11:31:36 am »
Partisan media make it a lot easier to get away with corruption.  That's what you see in a lot of 3rd world nations too.

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« Reply #58 on: April 10, 2018, 11:47:10 am »
I disagree that Trump and those like him didn't help make China. Most of his and his families product lines are produced in places like China and Bangladesh.

Do you think Trump will get around to imposing tariffs on goods he and his family have manufactured in China.

That said, I agree with you when it comes to what China is and that the US and others have valid complaints when it comes to China's trade practices.

Good pt. on Trump's connection to China. He had no problem using it to his personal financial advantage. That said the trade imbalances China creates using its very heavy tarrifs on foreign goods coming into it has to stop. It does not engage in fair trade and never has. In fact one of the reasons I am against the carbon tax system although I am very concerned about the environment is because I believe it will give China huge advantage in trade and industry over  any country honestly trying to reduce air pollution.
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« Reply #59 on: April 12, 2018, 07:52:48 am »
Its interesting how each time there is some issue with Trump and his staff or who he sleeps with and who is resigning, he lets off some tough blast about someone to distract. Were his comments about China a distraction from Stormy Daniels. How about Syria? Coincidence how these news stories cycle and he's always involved in an international crisis at the same time as he is a domestic scandal type one?

I discount conspiracy theories and maybe I am reading too much in to it but the pattern of Trump engaging in world conflicts with his military and threatening to go boom to someone always happens at opportune times for him to distract from his issues at home. How the hell is it the FBI is going after his legal counsel's files at this point supposedly in regards to paying off Stormy Daniels when there mandate was for Russian collusion not that. Clearly this guy is a target but at this point he's like JFK in the sense he has so many people targeting him how the hell do we know just who it is? Democrats? Anrgy Republicans? Russia? China? The FBI? Loyalists to Obama? A mix of all the above? What next. I predict a heart attack and him dying in his sleep at this point. There's no need for messy motorcades. Of course it won't be Melania dropping the pill. I think it will be Pence or as I call him Mr. Clean the Glad Garbage Bag man.
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