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« Reply #60 on: October 29, 2019, 12:01:39 am »
Yes they should hold a referendum on a referendum!

Iím saying they got themselves into this mess with a referendum so it is the best way out. To do otherwise just gives credibility to those who claim parliament is ignoring the will of the people. The referendum was the governmentís idea.
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« Reply #61 on: October 29, 2019, 08:42:58 am »

Here's something that maybe others didn't notice... or maybe not ?

Was THIS MOST RECENT extension of Brexit, granted by EU, covered A LOT LESS than past Brexit milestones ?

I ask because I perceived it so, and I believe that to mean that the rest of us are actually not as interested in Brexit as we were.  And who can blame us ?

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« Reply #62 on: October 29, 2019, 10:01:57 am »
Iím saying they got themselves into this mess with a referendum so it is the best way out. To do otherwise just gives credibility to those who claim parliament is ignoring the will of the people. The referendum was the governmentís idea.

Well we've learned it's very complicated to get out of the EU, and even harder when the UK has minority governments & nobody agrees.

The EU is a single market, meaning trade and capital flows freely between EU members without restrictions, it also has its own currency.  EU citizens can also travel, immigrate, and work freely anywhere in the EU.   Getting out of that means Britain having to set up their own agreements with every EU country & that's very complex, and all the EU member countries have to agree with Britain's plans, and then UK minority parliament has to agree.

Are you saying because exit is very complex all EU members are trapped forever inside the EU?
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« Reply #63 on: October 29, 2019, 12:45:08 pm »
Well we've learned it's very complicated to get out of the EU, and even harder when the UK has minority governments & nobody agrees.

The EU is a single market, meaning trade and capital flows freely between EU members without restrictions, it also has its own currency.  EU citizens can also travel, immigrate, and work freely anywhere in the EU.   Getting out of that means Britain having to set up their own agreements with every EU country & that's very complex, and all the EU member countries have to agree with Britain's plans, and then UK minority parliament has to agree.

Are you saying because exit is very complex all EU members are trapped forever inside the EU?

Nope
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« Reply #64 on: October 29, 2019, 01:12:15 pm »
Nope

Maybe they should cry and run home to mommy because it's hard.

The British survived the Nazi war machine. They can survive some Parliamentary gridlock.



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« Reply #65 on: October 29, 2019, 05:39:45 pm »
Well we've learned it's very complicated to get out of the EU, and even harder when the UK has minority governments & nobody agrees.

The EU is a single market, meaning trade and capital flows freely between EU members without restrictions, it also has its own currency.  EU citizens can also travel, immigrate, and work freely anywhere in the EU.   Getting out of that means Britain having to set up their own agreements with every EU country & that's very complex, and all the EU member countries have to agree with Britain's plans, and then UK minority parliament has to agree.

Are you saying because exit is very complex all EU members are trapped forever inside the EU?

I think it is time for a sober second look now that they know it isn't going to be simple, the EU is not going to roll over and it will probably be far more expensive and disruptive to the economy than Brexit cheerleaders led them to believe.
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« Reply #66 on: October 30, 2019, 03:29:35 pm »
Getting out of that means Britain having to set up their own agreements with every EU country & that's very complex, and all the EU member countries have to agree with Britain's plans, and then UK minority parliament has to agree.

Yes, trade deals are complex, but not impossible. Canada negotiated on with the EU just a few years ago if you remember. The agreement is with the EU, not individual ones with ever country however.
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« Reply #67 on: October 30, 2019, 08:04:04 pm »
The UK already has free trade within the EU and agreements with over 60 countries as a member of the EU. If they crash out of the EU, they won't have a single agreement with anyone until they negotiate them.
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« Reply #68 on: November 10, 2019, 11:37:06 am »
The UK already has free trade within the EU and agreements with over 60 countries as a member of the EU. If they crash out of the EU, they won't have a single agreement with anyone until they negotiate them.

How likely is it that anybody would make such an agreement with the UK after it's left the EU?
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« Reply #69 on: November 10, 2019, 03:25:00 pm »
How likely is it that anybody would make such an agreement with the UK after it's left the EU?

They will if they see it as in their interest.
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« Reply #70 on: November 16, 2019, 07:26:42 am »
Sounds like Britain is in a pickle to put it mildly. How exactly did they bungle it up this badly?
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« Reply #71 on: November 16, 2019, 09:30:13 am »
Sounds like Britain is in a pickle to put it mildly. How exactly did they bungle it up this badly?

The same way you elected Trump.
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« Reply #72 on: November 16, 2019, 10:28:20 am »
Sounds like Britain is in a pickle to put it mildly. How exactly did they bungle it up this badly?

Minority governments cause gridlock.
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« Reply #73 on: November 16, 2019, 12:20:43 pm »
The same way you elected Trump.

They do seem to demonstrate similar "leadership" capabilities.

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« Reply #74 on: November 17, 2019, 01:24:36 pm »
What would be interesting is if somehow a (stupid) no deal Brexit comes into existence, the official language of the EU should become Irish. Take that Boris!