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Offline SirJohn

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Re: Are nation-states necessary anymore?
« Reply #75 on: September 08, 2018, 06:52:08 pm »
My boy, the west have been grabbing up African resources for decades.

Sure. Because the West was where the industry was that needed it. And that's involved a good deal of chicanery and bribery over the years by Western companies - and even governments. But the latter have been mostly easing off in recent decades and trying to curtail bribery from their corporations. I think we're going to find out that the way the Chinese government is going to act in Africa will be reminiscent of the worst excesses of the banana republic days of the US and Latin America.
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Offline Omni

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Re: Are nation-states necessary anymore?
« Reply #76 on: September 08, 2018, 08:35:08 pm »
Sure. Because the West was where the industry was that needed it. And that's involved a good deal of chicanery and bribery over the years by Western companies - and even governments. But the latter have been mostly easing off in recent decades and trying to curtail bribery from their corporations. I think we're going to find out that the way the Chinese government is going to act in Africa will be reminiscent of the worst excesses of the banana republic days of the US and Latin America.

Well yes I had some "interesting" relations with a Chinese firm who was contracted by a Canadian company to do seismic operations for oil exploration in Eastern Africa. Let's just say they didn't get along with the locals well after the latter realized they were getting ripped off in many ways. The Americans did the same thing but were snubbed when the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act came into being and I had to sit through a days briefing by a company lawyer. I doubt the Chinese have a similar regulation.

Offline Gorgeous Graham

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Re: Are nation-states necessary anymore?
« Reply #77 on: September 09, 2018, 12:01:21 am »
Certainly nothing that will ever occur in our time but I still find it an interesting concept. For one thing just think of what could be done with all that money we now spend either preparing for or recovering from wars. Syrians for instance would likely prefer to stay home rather than jumping into flimsy boats to escape the bombs from the Russians and their own government.

Well the thing with governments is that they need to be stable to be effective, and legitimate and representative.  Even strong gov institutions can't prevent civil wars.  Look at the USA.  So i don't think a world gov would stop war, you'd just might have less country-to-country war but still civil wars.
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Offline MH

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Re: Are nation-states necessary anymore?
« Reply #78 on: September 09, 2018, 09:27:30 am »
  So i don't think a world gov would stop war, you'd just might have less country-to-country war but still civil wars.

Stopping wars seems a looong way off.  But there definitely are fewer wars than before aren't there ?

The NHL has almost stopped hockey fights.  Culture change happens on some scale.

Why do we have fewer wars ?