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Re: Apartheid state back on its bullsh*t
« Reply #30 on: May 19, 2021, 10:35:48 am »
Both sides of the conflict want to wipe each other out, one side often calling for their extermination...   battling over religious nonsense like little hills where mythical figures did things...  and you think they can be put into a democratic country?  LOL

You’re living in a fantasy world where most people are moderates and it’s just a small fringe element on both sides casing troubles.

If you remove the material conditions that enable the extremists to thrive, then yeah coexistence is totally possible. Look at Northern Ireland for example.

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Re: Apartheid state back on its bullsh*t
« Reply #31 on: May 19, 2021, 10:41:09 am »
If it were one state then you'd just have the more powerful faction trying to politically dominate the agenda over the less dominant faction, which is exactly what's happening now.  It solves nothing.  They each need their own state to have self-determination.

Except they would have to do so democratically and not through force.

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It becomes complicated because Israel gave Gaza back to the Palestinians about 15 years ago and they've used it to launch the rocket attacks from among schools and hospitals as human shields.  Then because of that Israel blockades or inspects all the goods coming into Gaza looking for weapons, so Gazans cry foul.


This is false. Israel blockaded Gaza after Hamas took over, not in response to any violence directed at Israel. They've maintained that blockade since 2007.

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« Reply #32 on: May 19, 2021, 11:22:03 am »
Except they would have to do so democratically and not through force.

This is false. Israel blockaded Gaza after Hamas took over, not in response to any violence directed at Israel. They've maintained that blockade since 2007.

Hamas whose charter states they have a religious duty to kill the Jews.

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Re: Apartheid state back on its bullsh*t
« Reply #33 on: May 19, 2021, 11:52:52 am »
Hamas whose charter states they have a religious duty to kill the Jews.

who knew! A distinction between Jew and Zionist {project}...

Hamas 2017 charter:



what say you Bibi?

Quote from: Bibi Netanyahu PM of Israel
Hamas is attempting to fool the world
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Re: Apartheid state back on its bullsh*t
« Reply #34 on: May 19, 2021, 11:56:51 am »
Hamas whose charter states they have a religious duty to kill the Jews.

Hamas, which was created by Israel.

Also Hamas=Palestinians is no more true than Israel=Jews.
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« Reply #35 on: May 19, 2021, 03:06:01 pm »
Extremely eye-opening Twitter thread here about U.S. aid to Israel. Pretty wild that a country with crumbling infrastructure, widespread poverty and homelessness, an opioid epidemic and other social ills can blithely send almost $4 BILLION a year to another country to support its domestic arms industry.
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« Reply #36 on: May 19, 2021, 03:47:12 pm »
Extremely eye-opening Twitter thread here about U.S. aid to Israel. Pretty wild that a country with crumbling infrastructure, widespread poverty and homelessness, an opioid epidemic and other social ills can blithely send almost $4 BILLION a year to another country to support its domestic arms industry.

Ummm....  you’ve never heard of the “military industrial complex”?   This is the type of **** the USA loves to spend much day on.  Fits their priorities perfectly.

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Re: Apartheid state back on its bullsh*t
« Reply #37 on: May 19, 2021, 04:01:30 pm »
Ummm....  you’ve never heard of the “military industrial complex”?   This is the type of **** the USA loves to spend much day on.  Fits their priorities perfectly.

Don't be a prick, of course I have. But there's a difference between knowing that the U.S. military is little more than a way to syphon public funds into private hands and knowing the details of how foreign aid to Israel is used.
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Re: Apartheid state back on its bullsh*t
« Reply #38 on: May 19, 2021, 05:28:41 pm »
Hamas, which was created by Israel.

When did Israel create Hamas?
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« Reply #39 on: May 19, 2021, 05:37:10 pm »
Ummm....  you’ve never heard of the “military industrial complex”?   This is the type of **** the USA loves to spend much day on.  Fits their priorities perfectly.

The US has major security interests in the region due to oil and the US also has many very wealthy Zionist Jewish citizens who lobby the government, donate to parties, and work in government.  The neocon movement was led by Zionist hawks like Paul Wolfowicz, Robert Kagan, Bill Kristol, etc

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Re: Apartheid state back on its bullsh*t
« Reply #40 on: May 19, 2021, 07:13:20 pm »
The US has major security interests in the region due to oil and the US also has many very wealthy Zionist Jewish citizens who lobby the government, donate to parties, and work in government.  The neocon movement was led by Zionist hawks like Paul Wolfowicz, Robert Kagan, Bill Kristol, etc

Point that out though and people accuse you of taking a page out of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
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Re: Apartheid state back on its bullsh*t
« Reply #41 on: May 19, 2021, 08:57:03 pm »
When did Israel create Hamas?

In the '70s Israel recognized and gave money to Mujama al-Islamiya which was the precursor to Hamas to serve as a counterweight to the secular/socialist PLO/Fatah.

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Re: Apartheid state back on its bullsh*t
« Reply #42 on: May 19, 2021, 09:02:24 pm »
Here's a stomach turning article from the Israeli press that shows the claims that Israel doesn't target civilians and takes great care to minimize casualties is a lie.

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But once the "importance" of a Hamas member is considered high and its residence is defined as a legitimate target for bombing – the “allowable” collateral damage, in other words the number of uninvolved people killed, including children and babies – is very broad.