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Offline Montgomery

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An Important Trial Balloon!
« on: November 22, 2020, 02:27:02 pm »
https://www.rt.com/russia/507497-us-out-open-skies-deal/

Is this just more Russian propaganda or is this very important information we Canadians should be interested in reading?
It was believed afterward that the man was a lunatic, because there was no sense in what he said. ~M.T.

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Re: An Important Trial Balloon!
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2020, 02:39:27 pm »
It's being reported by most MSM. Just another spiteful attempt to undermine European security before he slinks off into the distance. Hopefully Biden can reinstate it.
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« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2020, 07:57:56 pm »
It's being reported by most MSM. Just another spiteful attempt to undermine European security before he slinks off into the distance. Hopefully Biden can reinstate it.

Possibly.  Trump is the most spiteful person ever.  On the other hand, maybe Moscow isn't abiding by the agreement?  Or maybe its both.  You never know with Donny.

Some insiders have said Trump knows he lost the election but is sabotaging the transition the best he can in order to enact revenge on the Democrats for impeaching him.
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Re: An Important Trial Balloon!
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2020, 08:27:39 pm »
Possibly.  Trump is the most spiteful person ever.  On the other hand, maybe Moscow isn't abiding by the agreement?  Or maybe its both.  You never know with Donny.

Some insiders have said Trump knows he lost the election but is sabotaging the transition the best he can in order to enact revenge on the Democrats for impeaching him.

The object of the agreement is to protect European security. Regardless of what Russia is doing, European countries have come out against Trump cancelling it.
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« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2020, 11:17:08 pm »
The object of the agreement is to protect European security. Regardless of what Russia is doing, European countries have come out against Trump cancelling it.

Well either way I don't know anything about the agreement and am too lazy to research it LOL so i'll take your word for it.
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Re: An Important Trial Balloon!
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2020, 12:07:00 pm »
Well either way I don't know anything about the agreement and am too lazy to research it LOL so i'll take your word for it.

That's the safest approach Gorgeous. It's rumoured that people who have read something at RT.com have had hair starting to grow on the palms of their hands.

Excluding the wankers of course.
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« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2020, 12:25:27 pm »
It's rumoured that people who have read something at RT.com have had hair starting to grow on the palms of their hands.

yes comrade, trust in rt...  ;D

by the by, how's this balloon? Trump Exits Open Skies Treaty, Moves to Discard Observation Planes --- Without specialized aircraft and equipment, Biden administration would have difficult time re-entering post-Cold War pact... "taking steps to dispose of the two specially equipped OC-135B planes the U.S. has used to carry out Open Skies flights"



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Re: An Important Trial Balloon!
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2020, 12:38:52 pm »
yes comrade, trust in rt...  ;D

by the by, how's this balloon? Trump Exits Open Skies Treaty, Moves to Discard Observation Planes --- Without specialized aircraft and equipment, Biden administration would have difficult time re-entering post-Cold War pact... "taking steps to dispose of the two specially equipped OC-135B planes the U.S. has used to carry out Open Skies flights"

Say you didn't just try to redbait me waldo?

Trump has made a few encouraging moves that might be to demonstrate he's against more US aggression. Especially with Russia but there are also some indications that he would have been a better choice with China too.

But it's always going to be a riddle on what motivated Trump.

I see nothing good coming out of Biden on US foreign policy. Perhaps something very bad with Russia? The hate rhetoric against Russia was severely ramped up during the campaign phase.

And don't forget that Ukraine is unfinished business for the US. Russia/Putin has drawn a line in the sand on that one!
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« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2020, 12:44:29 pm »
And don't forget that Ukraine is unfinished business for the US. Russia/Putin has drawn a line in the sand on that one!

what sand line existed with the Russian 'annexation' of Crimea... from Ukraine?

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« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2020, 01:00:00 pm »
what sand line existed with the Russian 'annexation' of Crimea... from Ukraine?

I'm surprised you would ask but maybe I've overestimated you?

So it's very simple. The US/Nato attempted a bridge too far with the Crimea. Russia's naval base assets in the Crimea was a breakpoint issue that Russia/Putin was not going to allow to slip away. I think that the Crimea would have been the location in which the spark would ignite between the US/Nato and Russia, that would have led to direct hostilites between the two.

And so Russia/Putin took the Crimea. Most say by peacable means when Russia sought a referendum from the people of Crimea on their preference toward either the Ukraine or Russia, and the people overwhelmingly chose Russia. It was a slamdunk for Russia and there's hardly been a word of protest to say that the people's choice wasn't observed.

Hence, the bridge too far for US encroachment on Russia's borders! Who knew it wouldn't go down as easily as Kosovo?
The US/Nato could have been content to allow the status quo agreement in place between Ukraine and Russia?

And now the issue has become one of the US claiming that Russia/Putin had expansionist intentions for the Ukraine!

Do you think that's true? And do you think that Putin annexed Crimea against the will of the people?

Are you still with me waldo?

p.s. I commend you for fitting this into this thread. it's indeed one that fits so well under the description of 'trial balloon'. It might be the trial balloon that brought the world closest to WW3?

« Last Edit: November 23, 2020, 01:05:22 pm by Montgomery »
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« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2020, 01:30:18 pm »
Are you still with me waldo?

I'm not worthy! And have run out of play-time... perhaps I'll take another run at this later tonight - CUlater!

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« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2020, 01:42:57 pm »
I'm not worthy! And have run out of play-time... perhaps I'll take another run at this later tonight - CUlater!

Sure fine! I'll just assume you've agreed on what I've told you. However, some possible talking points?

Russia took the Crimea unprovoked by US/Nato..
The people of the Crimea didn't choose Russia.
It was believed afterward that the man was a lunatic, because there was no sense in what he said. ~M.T.