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« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2021, 08:13:22 pm »
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Toronto Sun: Canadians left to fend for themselves in Taliban-controlled Kabul as U.S. troops again turn away evacuees.

https://torontosun.com/news/national/canadians-left-to-fend-for-themselves-in-taliban-controlled-kabul-as-u-s-troops-again-turn-away-evacuees

Yes it sucks that Canada can't pony up the time or resources to be a little less useless in this 'mission' but what part of 'working with our allies' that fricken Biden is often yacking about didn't filter down to the clueless **** on the ground that are carrying out this evacuation?

Suddenly its every ally for themselves? Think we'll recall that next time?

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« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2021, 09:27:04 pm »
https://torontosun.com/news/national/canadians-left-to-fend-for-themselves-in-taliban-controlled-kabul-as-u-s-troops-again-turn-away-evacuees

Yes it sucks that Canada can't pony up the time or resources to be a little less useless in this 'mission' but what part of 'working with our allies' that fricken Biden is often yacking about didn't filter down to the clueless **** on the ground that are carrying out this evacuation?

Suddenly its every ally for themselves? Think we'll recall that next time?

Canada should have cut and run long ago.

Offline Queefer Sutherland

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« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2021, 11:14:04 pm »
Canada should have cut and run long ago.

If we do have any soldiers there i think thats pretty disgraceful on our part.

I feel really bad for the Afghans and Biden admin screwed their exit strategy up royally, but I also think anyone with Canadian or American citizenship choosing to live there instead of Canada/America is risking trouble by default.  Still have a duty to get them out of there though.

Another win for the stupidity that is dual citizenship.

Let's hope there's no civil war, the country stabilizes, and the Taliban has mellowed with time.
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Offline Michael Hardner

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« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2021, 09:54:47 am »
Haven't read this, it's from an NPR journalist

https://www.sarahchayes.org/post/the-ides-of-august

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« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2021, 12:24:52 pm »
Yes it sucks that Canada can't pony up the time or resources to be a little less useless in this 'mission' but what part of 'working with our allies' that fricken Biden is often yacking about didn't filter down to the clueless **** on the ground that are carrying out this evacuation?

reputable journalism - a growing oxymoron, particularly highlighted on the Afghan international front. That coupled with the penchant for media outlets to simply syndicate articles presents ongoing opportunities for weak/lame-azzed and outright wrong information to prevail. Ms. Garossino writing in the National Observer is said to present a more accurate/balanced account of what actually happened - with an emphasis on operational aspects and outcome/results therein: What you need to know - Canada's Kabul airlift mission

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Hearing reports out of Kabul, most Canadians feel shame and disgrace over how poorly we apparently evacuated people on the ground.

A number of these reports, primarily from former foreign correspondent Kevin Newman, claimed that every other country did better than Canada. For instance, according to Newman, while Canada dithered, the French carried out “ballsy” commando operations, rescuing hundreds of evacuees. Twice.

Yet the UK's Sky News, which tracked international numbers, reports that Canada airlifted significantly more evacuees, some 3700, than France’s 2100 (France’s prime minister has since upped their estimate to 2500).

Nor does Newman's claim that every other country did better than Canada hold up.

Only the UK, Germany, Italy and Australia extracted more evacuees than we did, and only Australia and the UK airlifted more per capita of their population. Tellingly, all of them took part in NATO’s 38 nation Resolute Support Mission (RSM), which ran from 2015 through the summer of 2021. Canada, by contrast, has had no military ground operations in Afghanistan since 2014.

In other words, each country that airlifted more evacuees than Canada had better on-the-ground operational capacity, local intelligence, and months to prepare than we did.
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Before the howls erupt on social media, it's incumbent on us to at least fact-check some of the more inflammatory claims. None of the information was secret.

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« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2021, 01:19:22 pm »
None of the information was secret.

ROTFLMAO

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« Reply #21 on: August 28, 2021, 01:42:36 pm »
geezaz member eyeball! I'm shocked that's your take-away to an article claiming... and showing that several of those misinforming whoppers were not accurate depictions of what Canada did operationally and the related outcomes - shocked I tells ya! The waldo, not being as jaded as you, inferred the 'not secret' pertained to information the journalist referenced in her article - with her highlighted emphasis being, as she stated, "it's incumbent on us to at least fact-check some of the more inflammatory claims".

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« Reply #22 on: August 28, 2021, 01:51:27 pm »
Aug. 31 was the deadline made by Biden himself because he wanted all the US troops out before the 20th anniversary of 9/11.  It was all a PR move, not a date based on security or safety of withdrawal.  Bad call dude.
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« Reply #23 on: August 28, 2021, 03:00:39 pm »
geezaz member eyeball! I'm shocked that's your take-away to an article claiming... and showing that several of those misinforming whoppers were not accurate depictions of what Canada did operationally and the related outcomes - shocked I tells ya! The waldo, not being as jaded as you, inferred the 'not secret' pertained to information the journalist referenced in her article - with her highlighted emphasis being, as she stated, "it's incumbent on us to at least fact-check some of the more inflammatory claims".
I'm assuming the information she referenced originally came from our government.

I'll need to see a forensic audit of everything the government has on file before I come to any conclusion about it.

Canada should have been stuffing empty transport planes returning from Afghanistan with school girls 15 years ago.

As for reputable journalism, misinformation and Canada's involvement in Afghanistan let's start from before day 1... apparently we went there because Afghanistan is where the terrorists of 9/11 were trained. Lol...

1st of all there wasn't a single Afghan on board any of the planes used as weapons that day and the flight simulators they trained on were in the US not some cave in Afghanistan.

Oh well, I  guess you'll always be stuck between a rock and a stupid place surrounding our country's performance given it was the Liberals that let themselves drag us into this mess.

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« Reply #24 on: August 28, 2021, 10:16:49 pm »
I'm assuming the information she referenced originally came from our government.

I'll need to see a forensic audit of everything the government has on file before I come to any conclusion about it.

oh really? And this is you... not concluding?
ROTFLMAO

As for reputable journalism, misinformation and Canada's involvement in Afghanistan let's start from before day 1... apparently we went there because Afghanistan is where the terrorists of 9/11 were trained. Lol...

1st of all there wasn't a single Afghan on board any of the planes used as weapons that day and the flight simulators they trained on were in the US not some cave in Afghanistan.

Oh well, I  guess you'll always be stuck between a rock and a stupid place surrounding our country's performance given it was the Liberals that let themselves drag us into this mess.

way to misinform bro! The Taliban harbouring terrorist groups in Afghanistan (like al-Qaeda... (and various leaders of al-Qaeda, like bin Laden)) was well understood before 9/11. I've never read any reputable source claim the 9/11 terrorists were, as you state, "trained in Afghanistan". There is no disputing that the nineteen 9/11 terrorists were members of al-Qaeda... and that they were led by bin Laden.

as for your perpetual want to forevah slag the Liberal Party... and your claim that, "Canada was dragged into the mess by Liberals", let the waldo clear up your misunderstanding, end your misinformation:

waldo factoids:
=> shortly after the 9/11 attack NATO, following its underlying principle of collective defence, invoked Article 5 (the only time it has ever been invoked to-date) - you know, that lil' ditty that states, that an attack against one Ally is considered as an attack against all Allies.
=> it was the U.S. and U.K. that initially bombed the Taliban & al Qaeda throughout Afghanistan
=> it was the UN with a progression of 3 Security Council Resolutions interspersed with the Bonn Conference and a retreating Taliban that set the beginnings of ISAF (International Security Assistance Force)... with full command of ISAF ultimately assumed by NATO

with your phrasing, "the Liberals that let themselves drag us into this mess", I'm shocked you would favour rogue nation positioning for Canada over Canada working within the engagement of and under the auspices of the UN and NATO sanctioning - shocked, I tells ya!

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« Reply #25 on: August 28, 2021, 11:32:08 pm »
There is no disputing that the nineteen 9/11 terrorists were members of al-Qaeda... and that they were led by bin Laden.
Not a single one of them was from Afghanistan and like Bin Laden almost all of them were from Saudi Arabia. BTW the Taliban is actually from Pakistan.

Despite knowing all this decades ago virtually everyone - Dubya, NATO, the Liberals, Canada...everyone, cocked it up,  spectacularly, and it's still being cocked up without missing a beat to this day. Misinformation still starts with the misinformed.

I'm not shocked in the least I tells ya.

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« Reply #26 on: August 29, 2021, 12:30:09 am »
Misinformation still starts with the misinformed.
starts with YOU - good on ya! How unsurprising you're trying to deflect away from your 'Liberals dragging' suggestion... deflect away from the waldo factoids! Again:
with your phrasing, "the Liberals that let themselves drag us into this mess", I'm shocked you would favour rogue nation positioning for Canada over Canada working within the engagement of and under the auspices of the UN and NATO sanctioning - shocked, I tells ya!

Not a single one of them was from Afghanistan and like Bin Laden almost all of them were from Saudi Arabia.
a poor deflection attempt on your part! But c'mon, surely you're not disputing the Taliban safe-harbouring of terrorist groups (like al Qaeda), of al Qaeda leaders (like bin Laden) - surely not! Surely you're not disputing that bin Laden was the leader of the 9/11 terrorist actions, of the nineteen 9/11 terrorists within Afghanistan - surely not!

Despite knowing all this decades ago virtually everyone - Dubya, NATO, the Liberals, Canada...everyone, cocked it up,  spectacularly, and it's still being cocked up without missing a beat to this day.
and this is just another deflection... and distraction from this nonsense you tried to peddle:
As for reputable journalism, misinformation and Canada's involvement in Afghanistan let's start from before day 1... apparently we went there because Afghanistan is where the terrorists of 9/11 were trained. Lol...

1st of all there wasn't a single Afghan on board any of the planes used as weapons that day and the flight simulators they trained on were in the US not some cave in Afghanistan.
as for your lacking specificity summary statement, "the Liberals, Canada...everyone, cocked it up", have a few more:

waldo factoids:
=> Canada's combat mission in Afghanistan ended in 2011; Canada stayed until 2014 training the Afghan National Army and Afghan National Police
=> of Canada's military presence in Afghanistan, the years 2006-to-2014 had governance of Canada and oversight of the 'Afghan mission' by Harper Conservatives... but don't let that stop you from emphasizing, "the Liberals"!

given the misinformation you've spewed in these last posts, what credibility do you have to, without detail/specificity - particularly as pertains to Canada, speak of a, as you stated, "c o c k up by virtually everyone... without missing a beat to this day"?

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« Reply #27 on: August 29, 2021, 10:36:50 am »
But c'mon, surely you're not disputing the Taliban safe-harbouring of terrorist groups (like al Qaeda), of al Qaeda leaders (like bin Laden) - surely not!
Nor am I ignoring the fact that al Qaeda, the Taliban and bin Laden had more than one patron.


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Surely you're not disputing that bin Laden was the leader of the 9/11 terrorist actions, of the nineteen 9/11 terrorists within Afghanistan - surely not!
No I'm just disputing the notion that  mattered enough to make invading Afghanistan a good idea.




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« Reply #28 on: August 29, 2021, 11:33:33 pm »
Nor am I ignoring the fact that al Qaeda, the Taliban and bin Laden had more than one patron.

No I'm just disputing the notion that  mattered enough to make invading Afghanistan a good idea.

yabut, these are new, from you! I don't recall you making these points in any exchange we've had in this thread. In any case, looks like negotiation... uhhh... 'diplomacy' will allow evacuation flights beyond the Aug 31 deadline date - notwithstanding the actions of azzholy ISIS-K! Geezaz what will the lazyazz misinforming media do now?


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« Reply #29 on: August 30, 2021, 09:59:27 am »
yabut, these are new, from you! I don't recall you making these points in any exchange we've had in this thread.
Please. We've been knocking around the same similar threads and forums for nearly 15 years and where points like these were common.

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In any case, looks like negotiation... uhhh... 'diplomacy' will allow evacuation flights beyond the Aug 31 deadline date - notwithstanding the actions of azzholy ISIS-K! Geezaz what will the lazyazz misinforming media do now?
Much of it will also try to deflect accountability for having also beat the drums for war and marching headlong into a war doomed to fail with eyes wide open and hand in hand with the politicians.
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