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Offline SirJohn

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Re: 1000 Muslims March
« Reply #30 on: October 08, 2017, 11:50:05 am »
What I said was "My brother-in-law would say that Muhammed would condemn the actions of ISIS". 

You are picking nits. Why would Muhammed condemn ISIS taking sex slaves when he did the same? Why would Muhammed condemn murdering those who criticize him when HE had such people murdered?

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This is because my brother-in-law is one of those that believes Muhammed was attacked and that he had to go to war to defend himself.  His actions were those of self-defense.

What does raping girls have to do with self-defense? But I digress...

Verse 9:29 of the Quran reads:
Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued 


https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/muhammad/byzantine-9-29.aspx

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I don't trust that this is true; too many of the sources you rely on have a clearly anti-Islam bias.

I grant you that there are a lot of organizations and people with 'anti-muslim bias' posting things on the internet.  But who else is going to post quotes and histories about Muhammed which might be less than flattering? Certainly no Muslims! And if a Muslim does criticize then he or she goes on the list for their 'anti-Muslim bias' as well anyway. So there simply isn't any easy way to produce completely unbiased sources on this subject. The best which can be done is to produce sources which cite the verifiable justifications and words which support their statements and positions.

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Yes, there is plenty in Islam to justify all kinds of atrocities.  There is also plenty in the Bible to justify atrocities,

This is ever your fallback position. Unfortunately it runs into the problem that no major Christian denomination has interpreted the bible to justify violent things in quite some time. Nor do we see crazy Christians going off like rabid dogs and attacking those around them in the name of Jesus, or flying across the world to attack the unbelievers in heir malls and offices. Nor is every Christian nation (or ANY Christian nation) beset with violent Christian terrorist and guerrilla groups demanding rule by biblical law.

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What you should be paying attention to is what the vast majority of Muslims say about ISIS:

ISIS is not the problem. It is a symptom of the problem. ISIS, Boko Haram, Al Quaeda and the rest are merely reflections of the growing strength and influence of the harsher interpretations of Islam such as Wahhabism and Salafism.

These claims are what I feel inclined to research, using some logic and common sense.   

[qote]In Egypt, homosexuality is not illegal, but they do round up and jail homosexuals under other laws like "lewdness", similar to what Canada was doing in the 1970s.   This is wrong, I agree.[/quote]

You are picking nits again. It is effectively illegal. Same as atheism.

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(By the way,  I notice that you are no longer claiming that they favor putting homosexuals to death,

Many Muslims favor putting homosexuals to death as called for under Sharia law, and homosexuality is illegal in most Muslim countries, and carries the death penalty in many - including the Gaza strip since Israel left.

The rest of what you write is more nitpicking.
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