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Offline cybercoma

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1000 Muslims March
« on: October 02, 2017, 10:05:04 am »
1000 Muslims march in London to denounce ISIS and terrorism.

You’re probably not going to read about it on FOX News.

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Re: 1000 Muslims March
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2017, 02:26:00 pm »
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Re: 1000 Muslims March
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2017, 04:41:11 pm »
Nice.

I hope next they start tackling the ideology that ISIS subscribes to.
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« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2017, 06:41:06 pm »
Nice.

I hope next they start tackling the ideology that ISIS subscribes to.
It's not their ideology, so why would you expect them to tackle it?   
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Re: 1000 Muslims March
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2017, 09:49:19 pm »
Nice.

I hope next they start tackling the ideology that ISIS subscribes to.

So you think they're marching against ISIS, but not their ideology?   How does that work?

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Re: 1000 Muslims March
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2017, 10:35:28 pm »
There's over 1.5 billion Muslims on the planet. It would be wrong to tar them all with the same brush.
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Re: 1000 Muslims March
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2017, 10:01:30 am »
It's not their ideology, so why would you expect them to tackle it?

Because ISIS version of Islam is turning Muslims into terrorists.  I would think that would concern them.  You keep saying that the Koranic scriptures they use to justify terrorism are being interpreted wrongly by ISIS.  If this is so, then why wouldn't Islam want make it clear to all Muslims what the correct interpretation is so that they are not drawn into terrorism and misled by false interpretations?

I agree with Ayyan Hirsi Ali - the ideology that leads to terrorists and Islamists needs to be challenged.

Why do you think they should not challenge it?
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Re: 1000 Muslims March
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2017, 10:31:11 am »
If this is so, then why wouldn't Islam want make it clear to all Muslims what the correct interpretation is so that they are not drawn into terrorism and misled by false interpretations?

There is no central Islamic authority.  We have to wait for reform branches to develop - in North America.  And encouraging them would help.
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« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2017, 11:11:51 am »
There is no central Islamic authority. 

This is the biggest problem, as I see it (and Hirsi Ali agrees it's the ideology that needs to be challenged) because then who is to say whose interpretation is correct?

Islam has so many different interpretations and each interpretation is pointing the finger at all the other interpretations saying "They are not the true Muslims, only we are!" and killing each other off.

With no central authority to say what the correct/incorrect interpretations are, aren't they ALL real Muslims, then?  And if Muslims can't even figure out what the correct interpretations are, how are non-Muslims supposed to?  I wonder if there WAS a central authority, if it would eliminate alot of the killing and harshness?  That is prolly a looooooog way off from happening, though.

Anyways, not to detract from the March.  Still nice to see.   :)
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Re: 1000 Muslims March
« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2017, 11:18:35 am »
1. With no central authority to say what the correct/incorrect interpretations are, aren't they ALL real Muslims, then? 
2. And if Muslims can't even figure out what the correct interpretations are, how are non-Muslims supposed to? 
3. I wonder if there WAS a central authority, if it would eliminate alot of the killing and harshness?  That is prolly a looooooog way off from happening, though.
 
1. I would say so but you have people like DoP saying unless you want to kill infidels you're  not a Muslim.  If you call yourself a Muslim many think you shouldn't be allowed in Canada.
2. We don't have to.
3. Well, no.  I expect that it would be more conservative than that.  We have organizations like this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Supreme_Council_of_Canada

Also there are other groups listed there.

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« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2017, 11:56:44 am »
Because ISIS version of Islam is turning Muslims into terrorists.  I would think that would concern them.  You keep saying that the Koranic scriptures they use to justify terrorism are being interpreted wrongly by ISIS.  If this is so, then why wouldn't Islam want make it clear to all Muslims what the correct interpretation is so that they are not drawn into terrorism and misled by false interpretations?

I agree with Ayyan Hirsi Ali - the ideology that leads to terrorists and Islamists needs to be challenged.
I regularly challenge DoP on his ISIS inspired version of Islam.  How many people who didn't already agree with me have have I persuaded?   

I have posted links to fatwas against ISIS issued by Islamic authorities, a letter to Islamists opposing ISIS ideology and why it isn't Islamic, posted links to Youtube videos of ordinary Muslims saying that neither ISIS nor terrorism are part of Islam.  I have done this several times and yet ... Who among the anti-Muslim has been persuaded that Muslims are against the violence and terror of ISIS?   Certainly not you and you are among the more intelligent. 

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Why do you think they should not challenge it?
Because its not their ideology.  Anyone who approached the issue with an open mind would know that and wouldn't expect every Muslim to stand up and condemn it, any more than they expect every Christian in the world to regularly stand up and condemn plural marriage.  Most people understand that mainstream Christians do not support the ideology of plural marriage, but an awful lot of people seem unable to understand that the same is true of Muslims when it comes to the ideology espoused by ISIS.   

Not to mention that no amount of disavowal will persuade those who choose not to be persuaded.  Those people always have a reason why peaceful Muslims aren't real Muslims or why the scriptures and teachings of a peaceful Islam isn't real Islam.

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« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2017, 12:06:06 pm »
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Most people understand that mainstream Christians do not support the ideology of plural marriage, but an awful lot of people seem unable to understand that the same is true of Muslims when it comes to the ideology espoused by ISIS.   

Didn't your sister make her husband sign a paper before they got married saying he wouldn't take another wife?
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« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2017, 12:16:45 pm »
Didn't your sister make her husband sign a paper before they got married saying he wouldn't take another wife?

I see.  So if I say Muslims do not believe the ideology of violence and terror that ISIS promotes is true Islam, you want to come back with "yabbut what about plural marriage"?

Clever, so clever.

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Re: 1000 Muslims March
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2017, 12:30:01 pm »
There is no central Islamic authority.  We have to wait for reform branches to develop - in North America.  And encouraging them would help.

But we don't do that. Muslim reformers are reviled by liberal politicians and ant-racism and feminist groups.
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« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2017, 12:38:21 pm »

Because its not their ideology.  Anyone who approached the issue with an open mind would know that and wouldn't expect every Muslim to stand up and condemn it, any more than they expect every Christian in the world to regularly stand up and condemn plural marriage.

But plural marriage is not a Christian thing. Hating homos is, however, a Muslim thing. Are you going to say that the slaughter in a gay bar in Orlando and the poll where 50% of Muslims in the UK said homosexuality should be illegal are unrelated? Is it unrelated to the fact homosexuality is punishable by death under Islam? Is the response from ISIS on the subject unrelated to those things too?

“Shortly following the blessed attack on a sodomite, Crusader nightclub by the mujahid Omar Mateen, American politicians were quick to jump into the spotlight and denounce the shooting, declaring it a hate crime, an act of terrorism, and an act of senseless violence. A hate crime? Yes. Muslims undoubtedly hate liberalist sodomites, as does anyone else with any shred of their fitrah (inborn human nature) still intact."

It's not unrelated.
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