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Re: "Me Too" Blowback
« Reply #45 on: January 28, 2018, 10:32:28 pm »
Why are we giving those women more attention than we are the actual problem? Don’t your find that a bit strange and frankly unsettling?

Before I answer that I need to know which women and what actual problem you're referring to.

If by "those women" you're referring to victims of predators like Harvey Weinstein and Jian Ghomeshi and their ilk, then yes, the focus needs to be on the predators and putting an end to their behavior.

If by "those women" you're referring to the nitwits who came forward to complain that they had a bad date with Aziz Ansari or that Patrick Brown bought them drinks and tried to kiss them when they went to his home after a night out, then I don't think we should be talking about any of it at all. It's pathetic that we're talking about it.

And if "the actual problem" refers to coercive environments like those fostered by Weinstein and Ghomeshi and by creepy bosses around the world, then I am 100% in favor of fighting that.

But if by "the actual problem" you're referring to a guy in his mid-30s trying to hook up with 18-19 year old women at a bar, then I really couldn't care less.  I think it's utterly pathetic.  From your earlier comments on the matter I get the impression that your big objection to Brown's conduct is that he's 15+ years older than the young women ye tried to pick up.  Is that the case?  Is that "the actual problem"? Is that what women need to be protected from?

If that's "the actual problem", what kind of solution should we be looking at?  Raise the drinking age to 25? Raise the age of consent to 30?  Make a law that you can't date anybody who's not within 5 years of your own age?  Issue chastity belts or burqas?

It creates a narrative that makes it easier for people to be dismissive of those who were actually abused.

I completely agree. This is what I'm saying.  These trivial non-accusations against public figures are undermining the stories of people who actually deserve to be heard.

People like Ansari’s accuser should be the ones we’re ignoring and dismissing. Instead we continue to talk about them as if they relate to #metoo at all. They don’t.

I completely agree.  The Aziz Ansari smear article was written by a nobody website for the express purpose of cashing in on #MeToo and the current furor over celebrity misconduct, even though nobody actually ever explained where the supposed misconduct actually was. The anonymous girl and the article writer both tried to establish a link to #MeToo, in their ham-handed and completely inaccurate manner.   I feel that the accusations against Patrick Brown are equally nonsensical, and yet they're being treated as a major scandal and called "deeply disturbing" by all and sundry, though again nobody can seem to explain what actual misconduct occurred. It's a fake scandal trying to sell papers and/or score political points by riding the coattails of #MeToo, even though there's no real connection.

Occupy Wall Street started off with a point, and fizzled out because it became a soapbox for every angry millennial with a poor-paying job.

Black Lives Matter started off having a clear focus and important message, and has jumped the shark as it becomes a catch-all for every racially-inspired grievance under the sun.

I fear that #MeToo is on its way toward a similar fate, and I think that when people look back on it, they will look at the Aziz Ansari smear-job as the point where it started to go off the rails.

Which is why I am glad that women like Rosie diManno at the Toronto Star, and Ashleigh Banfield, and Margret Atwood, have been speaking out on the problem of lumping this trivial bullshit in with real actual victims.  I am glad that women are speaking out, because if men speak out at this point in time they might find a mob with pitchforks and torches marching to their door.


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