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Offline MH

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Re: Thanks for the Ignore List Idea
« Reply #60 on: February 13, 2018, 02:50:03 pm »
1. At what point does criticism become hate-mongering?
2. I would think it come well after the point of describing indoctrination practices as "insidious", whether that be criticism of progressive education or of religious groups.

1. These is a question of quality.  I would say 'insidious' is a loaded word.
2. Practices, yes.  People, no.  When it comes to a "religion" we are maybe in a gray area, somewhat.  I would say no based on anti-Semitic literature of the past implying a conspiracy.... Protocols of Zion etc.

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Re: Thanks for the Ignore List Idea
« Reply #61 on: February 13, 2018, 03:24:13 pm »
“Insidious” ignores he value-function of religious organization and community, serving to support the social welfare of its adherents and sometimes broader society. Me, I’m an atheist. I don’t buy into the dogma. However, the role of religion is an important one beyond the metaphysical experience. That’s not to take away from the ways in which religion can be used as a tool for oppression, segregation and authoritarian control. Every system of social organization runs this risk (e.g., despotic governments, abusive corporate boards). Power can be abused. However, it’s myopic and frankly blunt thinking that chooses to conclude that religion itself should be abandoned, fought, or disregarded. The metaphor that comes to mind is throwing the baby out with the bath water.

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Re: Thanks for the Ignore List Idea
« Reply #62 on: February 13, 2018, 08:07:16 pm »
At what point does criticism become hate-mongering? I would think it come well after the point of describing indoctrination practices as "insidious", whether that be criticism of progressive education or of religious groups.

I agree with this.  If something is insidious then it is, and there is nothing wrong with saying so.
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« Reply #63 on: February 13, 2018, 09:27:02 pm »
Actually, there's been a distinct absence of noticeable moderation there of late.

Hopefully it means Charles has been canned!
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« Reply #64 on: February 13, 2018, 09:29:06 pm »
Impact is registered, but no longer posts for some reason.

Didn't make much of an impact then, did he?  DID HE?!?!?
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Offline the_squid

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Re: Thanks for the Ignore List Idea
« Reply #65 on: February 13, 2018, 11:33:41 pm »
So THAT's okay. As long as the indoctrination is done in a direction you like.

No...   it means itís idiotic to think that thereís some sort of conspiracy to indoctrinate kids to become socialist left wingers, while itís abundantly clear that religions indoctrinate children as a matter of course. 

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« Reply #66 on: February 14, 2018, 11:52:39 am »
No...   it means itís idiotic to think that thereís some sort of conspiracy to indoctrinate kids to become socialist left wingers, while itís abundantly clear that religions indoctrinate children as a matter of course.

It is absolutely and abundantly clear that schools indoctrinate children in exactly the same way as churches do. It's not a conspiracy. It's right out in the open and as in-your-face as it's possible to get. Children are taught to fear global warming, for example, in a manner that even David Suzuki would be pleased with. Children are taught that any kind of sex with anyone for any reason is good, whatever gender they or you wish to be this week, and that all of it must be absolutely respected. Children are taught any kind of violence is bad, any kind of unpleasant words are harassment, and that they must immediately report either to teachers. Which they do, btw. If a 5 year old tells another one he's a poo-poo head he'll be in the vice principle's office being taught the error of his ways. Every socialist belief is taught as fact in schools, from militarism being bad, to the need for equality (not of opportunity but of results) to the belief that all cultures are equal and none are better than others, and that any kind of judgement otherwise is 'racism'. There is simply no 'progressive' belief I'm aware of that is not taught to children day in and day out as fact and as their necessary belief system. Above all, of course, they are taught that they deserve everything to be nice, that they deserve a world in which everything they do is appreciated and applauded.
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Re: Thanks for the Ignore List Idea
« Reply #67 on: February 14, 2018, 02:31:12 pm »
Apparently teaching kids not to treat each other like shit is “progressive” indoctrination. Who knew that being an asshole was a “conservative” value? Actually that explains a lot.

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Re: Thanks for the Ignore List Idea
« Reply #68 on: February 14, 2018, 02:38:31 pm »
Once again quite the litany of far reaching, unsubstantiated assumptions from the master.

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Re: Thanks for the Ignore List Idea
« Reply #69 on: February 14, 2018, 02:52:41 pm »
Apparently teaching kids not to treat each other like shit is ďprogressiveĒ indoctrination. Who knew that being an asshole was a ďconservativeĒ value? Actually that explains a lot.

Any vice becomes a virtue taken to extremes. It produces people like Omni, who run screaming to teacher, or HR, or the human rights commission, the instant someone says something that offends them. It produces helpless, emotionally fragile snowflakes who burst into tears the moment they face adversity or challenge. It produces people like you, who are enraged at anyone who challenges your preconceptions. Taken to its ultimate conclusion it leads to re-education camps and gulags for anyone who fails to abide by the mandatory groupthink - something I believe many progressives and most SJWs would be quite happy with.
 
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Re: Thanks for the Ignore List Idea
« Reply #70 on: February 14, 2018, 03:09:59 pm »
Any vice becomes a virtue taken to extremes. It produces people like Omni, who run screaming to teacher, or HR, or the human rights commission, the instant someone says something that offends them. It produces helpless, emotionally fragile snowflakes who burst into tears the moment they face adversity or challenge. It produces people like you, who are enraged at anyone who challenges your preconceptions. Taken to its ultimate conclusion it leads to re-education camps and gulags for anyone who fails to abide by the mandatory groupthink - something I believe many progressives and most SJWs would be quite happy with.

Once again you seem to have the roles reversed. We all know who does the kicking and screaming when challenged.
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Re: Thanks for the Ignore List Idea
« Reply #71 on: February 14, 2018, 03:09:59 pm »
Oh yes. Iím so angry about some random old man on the internet who is shouting at clouds. Iím just filled with rage over here.

Youíre really not as important as you think you are and neither are your views.

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Re: Thanks for the Ignore List Idea
« Reply #72 on: February 14, 2018, 07:05:35 pm »
How come it's always the worst snowflakes who constantly disparage snowflakes?
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Re: Thanks for the Ignore List Idea
« Reply #73 on: February 15, 2018, 05:37:58 am »
Ok.  So it's "Insidious" if something is taught by people who are not of our idealogical tribe.

Is it ok if Christians teach Christian values that overlap with commonly-held community values ?

Or is it insidious ?

Is it ok if conservatives teach conservative values that overlap with commonly-held community values ?

Or is it insidious ?

Is it ok if we teach Canadian values ?  What are Canadian values ?

Do I ask too many questions ?

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Re: Thanks for the Ignore List Idea
« Reply #74 on: February 15, 2018, 08:36:07 am »
I think a more important question is whether or not schools should be teaching values. If not what would it look like if they didn't. When two kids get into a fight, are we to just let them go at it without any consequences because any sort of punishment would be value-normative? Why is it "progressive" values to punish students for behaving badly by being harmful to others either verbally or physically? Honestly, there's nothing rational about this discussion. It's just another example of individuals' unsubstantiated whining about "social justice warriors," or "progressives," or "liberals" [which ironically has nothing to do with "social justice" and more to do with liberty].