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Offline ?Impact

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Re: Wreck of Saskatchewan
« Reply #60 on: May 11, 2018, 03:16:07 pm »
In Toronto specifically, if everyone stopped driving tomorrow, the public transit system would be overwhelmed.
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It's just not feasible for a vast number of people. The government creates urban sprawl and now is punishing people for participating in it.

Of course if the system is not designed to meet the capacity then you would have problems, no ****.

The feasibility is just plain stupid. You can increase the capacity of the public transit system far more effectively than private vehicles on roads. The selfish people who want to drive their SUV everywhere are punishing the rest of us with their selfish behavior.

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« Reply #61 on: May 11, 2018, 03:19:57 pm »
And you make yourself look foolish by going back to this SUV pejorative. People who buy SUV are often families that need ...

Ok, how about the morons with their F-350's, that always drives alone and with nothing in the back. To further exasperate their selfish behavior the nutcases are always speeding, and accelerating and breaking hard. I see those jerks continually, so don't tell me some sad story about they may need it for that once they pick up a couple of bags of topsoil in the spring.

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« Reply #62 on: May 11, 2018, 03:29:20 pm »
Ok, how about the morons with their F-350's, that always drives alone and with nothing in the back. To further exasperate their selfish behavior the nutcases are always speeding, and accelerating and breaking hard. I see those jerks continually, so don't tell me some sad story about they may need it for that once they pick up a couple of bags of topsoil in the spring.

And it seems many of those same morons modify the exhaust system so it makes even more noise as they leave the bar parking lot.
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« Reply #63 on: May 13, 2018, 09:44:00 am »
And it seems many of those same morons modify the exhaust system so it makes even more noise as they leave the bar parking lot.

Pretty hard to do that with the newer diesels. Even if It is possible, it means deleting the entire emissions system and adding around $2000 in off road only electronics and anther parts. Illegal and voids warranty but some people still do it.

My peave is mufflerless Harley’s. I like the sound of a V twin as much as anyone but not at 110+ dB. These guys are the adult equivalent of the 17 yr old with the 10,000 watt sound system who sits beside you at light playing rap with it cranked up to 9.
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« Reply #64 on: May 13, 2018, 11:09:42 am »
Pretty hard to do that with the newer diesels. Even if It is possible, it means deleting the entire emissions system and adding around $2000 in off road only electronics and anther parts. Illegal and voids warranty but some people still do it.

My peave is mufflerless Harley’s. I like the sound of a V twin as much as anyone but not at 110+ dB. These guys are the adult equivalent of the 17 yr old with the 10,000 watt sound system who sits beside you at light playing rap with it cranked up to 9.

Agree with both of these. "Coal rollers" are ****.   The motorcycles are awful here.  The little Japanese cars with the gigantic "fart cannon" mufflers are awful as well.

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« Reply #65 on: May 14, 2018, 09:20:09 am »
Ok, how about the morons with their F-350's, that always drives alone and with nothing in the back. To further exasperate their selfish behavior the nutcases are always speeding, and accelerating and breaking hard. I see those jerks continually, so don't tell me some sad story about they may need it for that once they pick up a couple of bags of topsoil in the spring.

It's hilarious that you use anecdotes and stereotypes to make an argument about anything. I'm sure you don't like when people do that about stuff. . . like say Muslims. 

Most people who own a car do it because they need to regularly get somewhere conveniently at a good price and don't want to be on 3 buses for 2 hours, twice a day.

A Carbon Tax doesn't change that behaviour.

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« Reply #66 on: May 14, 2018, 09:22:09 am »
Agree with both of these. "Coal rollers" are ****.   The motorcycles are awful here.  The little Japanese cars with the gigantic "fart cannon" mufflers are awful as well.

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And what some here are implying are carbon taxes on the whole population is a good response to these toolbags.

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« Reply #67 on: May 19, 2018, 01:18:57 pm »
As a matter of policy the green side believes that higher fuel costs will give people an impetus to conserve fuel, change their habits, and adopt green technologies. That's the main rationale for a carbon tax at the consumer level, right?

And yet here in BC as fuel costs rise, we have Premier Horgan calling on Ottawa to provide "leadership" on the issue of higher fuel costs, and we have Attorney General David Eby vowing to sue Alberta for economic damages should Premier Notley make good on the threat to switch the existing pipeline over to bitumen.

It all seems very contradictory. Why, if increased fuel costs are a good thing, is Horgan asking for Ottawa to do something to stop it? Why is Eby threatening to sue Notley for "economic damage" resulting from increased fuel prices?  I thought this kind of "economic damage" was exactly the kind of impetus greenie types believe is necessary to drive people to embrace green tech. 

Should Eby also sue Horgan and Weber for economic damage resulting from higher fuel prices?

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« Reply #68 on: May 19, 2018, 02:59:28 pm »
Should Notley sue Horgan for the economic damage Alberta suffers from BC obstructing the pipeline? After all, the damage to Alberta's economy is real, BC's is just hypothetical.
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« Reply #69 on: May 21, 2018, 11:22:40 am »
Should Notley sue Horgan for the economic damage Alberta suffers from BC obstructing the pipeline? After all, the damage to Alberta's economy is real

Actually, no, it isn't.  It's also hypothetical.

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« Reply #70 on: May 21, 2018, 11:27:39 am »
What's real is the logical contradiction between the idea that raising carbon taxes to get people to change their behavior is GOOD and beneficial, while gas prices rising due to other factors is BAD and harmful.

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« Reply #71 on: May 21, 2018, 11:47:25 am »
Actually, no, it isn't.  It's also hypothetical.
The uncertainty created by NIMBYs opposing pipelines has had significant impact on investment in Alberta. Imperial Oil recently a halt to all new projects in Canada because of the hostile regulatory environment. It was not all due to BC opposition but it was part of it.

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« Reply #72 on: May 21, 2018, 11:49:58 am »
What's real is the logical contradiction between the idea that raising carbon taxes to get people to change their behavior is GOOD and beneficial, while gas prices rising due to other factors is BAD and harmful.
It does not matter why prices go up because the impact on the consumer is the same. If higher prices are desirable then higher prices because OPEC wants to make more money must be a good thing. It is illogical to argue otherwise.
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« Reply #73 on: May 21, 2018, 11:51:29 am »
Actually, no, it isn't.  It's also hypothetical.

Not being able to export your products isn't hypothetical. 35% of Manitoba's agricultural exports go to countries other than the US. How much damage would be done to the Manitoba economy if its exports were restricted to only the US, just as Alberta's oil exports are restricted?
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« Reply #74 on: May 21, 2018, 12:11:37 pm »
It does not matter why prices go up because the impact on the consumer is the same. If higher prices are desirable then higher prices because OPEC wants to make more money must be a good thing. It is illogical to argue otherwise.

This is what I'm getting at. We've got Horgan boosting the carbon tax, while pleading for Ottawa to "provide leadership" on fuel costs, and David Eby threatening to sue Alberta if Notley restricts gasoline flow to BC.

And why isn't Andrew Webber out on the streets explaining why high gas prices are a great thing for British Columbia?

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