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Offline SirJohn

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Re: What you need to get a Tim Horton's
« Reply #210 on: February 23, 2018, 10:04:51 am »
Shockingly, it seems that the ones footing the bill for the increase in minimum wages in Ontario are NOT those filthy rich people in their top hats and tailcoats smoking their cigars. Nope. It's you and me.

Restaurant prices across Canada rose 3.7 per cent in January from a year earlier, a far faster pace than December's 2.9 per cent. The overall move higher in food prices, of 2.3 per cent, was the fastest pace since April, 2016.

In Ontario alone, Statistics Canada said, restaurant meals climbed 4.9 per cent, and child care and housekeeping services almost 10 per cent. That, the agency said, coincided with "a legislated minimum wage increase."


https://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/top-business-stories/inflation-ontario-restaurants-minimum-wage-hike/article38085293/
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« Reply #211 on: February 23, 2018, 01:08:46 pm »
So it's another kind of tariff then ?

Wherein we charge the consumer more because it creates local jobs ?

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« Reply #212 on: February 23, 2018, 01:25:32 pm »
So it's another kind of tariff then ?
Wherein we charge the consumer more because it creates local jobs ?
Only if you really believe the laws of supply and demand don't apply when you think it politically convenient. Raising the cost of workers increases prices and reduces employment in some unknown proportion. So your so-called 'tax for local jobs' would do the opposite by making it more economic to import services and goods from areas with lower wages.

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« Reply #213 on: February 23, 2018, 02:37:59 pm »
Only if you really believe the laws of supply and demand don't apply when you think it politically convenient. Raising the cost of workers increases prices and reduces employment in some unknown proportion. So your so-called 'tax for local jobs' would do the opposite by making it more economic to import services and goods from areas with lower wages.

Obviously company's are going to shop for goods for the best prices but what are you going to do for employees, bus them back and forth to your Tim Horton's?

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« Reply #214 on: February 24, 2018, 07:07:54 am »
Only if you really believe the laws of supply and demand don't apply when you think it politically convenient. Raising the cost of workers increases prices and reduces employment in some unknown proportion. So your so-called 'tax for local jobs' would do the opposite by making it more economic to import services and goods from areas with lower wages.

I was being sarcastic.  Tariffs don't work either - that's my point.  Your last sentence doesn't make sense to me.

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« Reply #215 on: February 24, 2018, 12:29:47 pm »
So your so-called 'tax for local jobs' would do the opposite by making it more economic to import services and goods from areas with lower wages.


How far are people really going to drive to save 20 cents on a drive-through coffee?

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Re: What you need to get a Tim Horton's
« Reply #216 on: February 24, 2018, 02:23:49 pm »
How far are people really going to drive to save 20 cents on a drive-through coffee?
How far do people go to save 2 cents/litre on gas? That said, a lot of retail businesses do face serious competition from online outlets. Higher prices in the local stores due to minimum wages will push a lot more sales to online outlets and hasten the end of the local shopping option. Some may see this as a good thing but it does mean fewer jobs for the people that are supposedly helped by higher minimum wages.

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« Reply #217 on: February 24, 2018, 02:49:37 pm »
How far do people go to save 2 cents/litre on gas? That said, a lot of retail businesses do face serious competition from online outlets. Higher prices in the local stores due to minimum wages will push a lot more sales to online outlets and hasten the end of the local shopping option. Some may see this as a good thing but it does mean fewer jobs for the people that are supposedly helped by higher minimum wages.

Online shopping is simply another result of advances in technology that will require adjustment.  You used to have to go buy a newspaper, now you just switch on your laptop and there's the news. People aren't running presses as much now but they are putting that news on the net for you. And how do you online shop for a honey glazed and a double double?

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« Reply #218 on: February 26, 2018, 09:43:45 am »
Do people still want to go to stores ?  /new topic I guess.

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« Reply #219 on: February 26, 2018, 09:44:54 am »
Do people still want to go to stores ?  /new topic I guess.

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« Reply #220 on: February 26, 2018, 10:04:25 am »
How far do people go to save 2 cents/litre on gas?

It depends how bad at math they are.

That said, a lot of retail businesses do face serious competition from online outlets.

SirJohn's article was specific to restaurant costs, and I assure you that the Tim Horton's drive-through has nothing to fear from Amazon.

Higher prices in the local stores due to minimum wages will push a lot more sales to online outlets and hasten the end of the local shopping option. Some may see this as a good thing but it does mean fewer jobs for the people that are supposedly helped by higher minimum wages.

Brick-and-mortar retailers have been under pressure for many years. Each time Wal-Mart opens a mega-store in an area, lots of smaller retailers disappear.  It's not like this is a new trend.  North America has lots of abandoned shopping malls, and that started happening before online shopping became a big factor. The arrival of Amazon and so-on signal new worries for retailers, but I have a hunch that the ones who've survived Wal-Mart will survive Amazon as well.

There are some goods that are ideal for online purposes.  For others, not so much. You can't tell how comfortable a shoe is by looking at a picture.

Change is the only constant. When the motor-car arrived we didn't say "we have to stop this or all these blacksmiths will be out of work!"

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Re: What you need to get a Tim Horton's
« Reply #221 on: April 06, 2018, 09:00:00 am »
The Tim Horton's brand name has taken a hit.  In an annual survey about which brands Canadians like and respect the most, Tim Horton's fell from #4 last year to #50 this year.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4124961/tim-hortons-brand-reputation-survey/?utm_source=Other&utm_medium=MostPopular&utm_campaign=2014

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“It’s always multi-faceted and can’t point to one thing in totality,” Aivalis said. “But I do think the whole debacle about how the franchise handled the minimum wage had an impact.”

He said Tim Hortons is held to a higher expectation to the public because of its “Canadian image.”

“The company has a Canadian identity, and we’re proud, if it’s about cold winters and hockey,” Aivalis said. Because of this, Canadians may think Tim Hortons employees should be treated well.

“It creates a disappointment with the brand,” he added. “I think a lot of Canadians think fair pay is what Canada is about and Tim Hortons is not providing that.”

Wrapping themselves in the flag and talking themselves up as a Canadian tradition may bring customers, but it may also bring Tim Horton's a level of scrutiny that its competitors don't face.


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Re: What you need to get a Tim Horton's
« Reply #222 on: April 06, 2018, 09:43:27 am »
Like other fast food chains didn't do anything in the face of a 30% hike in the minimum wage.  ::)

It's weird how polarizing Tim Hortons is. The coffee isn't the best, but it's amongst the cheapest, they're food is decent for cafe, bakery style food. And, in Suburban and Rural Ontario anyway, there a Tim Hortons everywhere.

I actually stopped going to Tim's in the morning because it's ALWAYS packed. So it's still pretty popular.

I think it speaks to this Canadian tradition of tearing down the most popular things about us.

The #1 coffee in Canada now is actually McDonalds. McDonalds is demonized for every other aspect of their business model. But they have good coffee.

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Re: What you need to get a Tim Horton's
« Reply #223 on: April 06, 2018, 10:40:14 am »
Like other fast food chains didn't do anything in the face of a 30% hike in the minimum wage.  ::)

According to stats canada inflation soared in the first two months of the year, especially in areas driven by wage increases in the minimum wage. Groceries, restaurants, child care and home cleaning all saw big bumps in costs. The biggest was in the restaurant sector.

The problem with Tim Hortons was it was bought by a conglomerate named Restaurant Brands which is run by a pair of investment firms, principally a Brazilian company called 3G Capital. They're pretty cutthroat, and they quickly realized the franchise agreements let them screw people over easily. So that's what they've been doing. Since they get a percentage of the gross, right off the top, it doesn't matter to them what profits the franchises get or don't get. So they ordered the franchises not to raise prices. They care about sales, you see, not profits, because their money comes from the gross, not the net.
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Re: What you need to get a Tim Horton's
« Reply #224 on: April 06, 2018, 12:46:17 pm »
The only reason to have a double double is if the coffee is crap.
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