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Offline SirJohn

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Re: What you need to get a Tim Horton's
« Reply #195 on: January 22, 2018, 07:40:11 pm »
Which, for we liberals, means having to deal with fear-mongering and hate-mongering politicians playing on peoples' worst fears to cause harm to brown people and make political careers.

Welcome to the world.  Sorry you have to pay 10 cents more for coffee.  oops I moralized me bad

Which politician is praying on people's fears causing them to harm brown people? Or have you jumped over to American politics again?
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« Reply #196 on: January 22, 2018, 08:46:36 pm »
Don't know what this has to do with brown people although you can tell a lot about the demographics of a neighbourhood by who the servers are in Tims and other fast food joints.
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« Reply #197 on: January 23, 2018, 05:34:15 am »
Which politician is praying on people's fears causing them to harm brown people? Or have you jumped over to American politics again?

Lots of them.  Harper, Leitch, come to mind.

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Re: What you need to get a Tim Horton's
« Reply #198 on: January 23, 2018, 05:35:47 am »
Don't know what this has to do with brown people although you can tell a lot about the demographics of a neighbourhood by who the servers are in Tims and other fast food joints.

People get pissed off because the Liberals buy votes by preying on the flaws of the electorate but if others that favour your morality do it, then the principle becomes "they are giving the people what they want".

Morality is fine but what is the principle.  That is my point, beyond any general slagging I am making against Leitch, Harper et al.

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Re: What you need to get a Tim Horton's
« Reply #199 on: January 23, 2018, 10:05:01 am »
Lots of them.  Harper, Leitch, come to mind.

Name a single time Harper, who I am no fan of, preyed on people's fears of brown people or caused them to attack brown people. The same goes for Leitch I want citations. Statements and results. Lots of them? Bullshit. This sounds more like demonizing of conservatives. and that's particularly hypocritical given you just posted something about how sad it is that political discourse has been fractured - though again you blamed the right for that.
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Re: What you need to get a Tim Horton's
« Reply #200 on: January 23, 2018, 05:34:11 pm »
How about denigrating immigrants, removing healthcare for refugee claimants, and generally feeding irrational fears wherever it was politically expedient ?

You can claim that Liberals play to peoples' emotions but if you don't acknowledge that fear is the Conservatives' ace in the hole, you are a partisan hack and utterly uninteresting.
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Re: What you need to get a Tim Horton's
« Reply #201 on: January 23, 2018, 06:21:03 pm »
Which, for we liberals, means having to deal with fear-mongering and hate-mongering politicians playing on peoples' worst fears to cause harm to brown people and make political careers.

Welcome to the world.  Sorry you have to pay 10 cents more for coffee.  oops I moralized me bad

I'm sorry but whether you agree with the $15 min wage or not, Wynne implemented it so quickly to make sure most of it was in effect in time for election year 2018.  She's making business owners buy votes for her.  It was implemented too soon, too quickly.  It should have been brought in more gradually.

A family member recently needed a Drive Clean test, and we noticed that everyone now gets one free Drive Clean courtesy of the Wynne government! Shamelessly trying to buy our votes again with own own money.  ::)
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Re: What you need to get a Tim Horton's
« Reply #202 on: January 23, 2018, 07:58:28 pm »
How about denigrating immigrants, removing healthcare for refugee claimants, and generally feeding irrational fears wherever it was politically expedient ?

Are you living on some other planetr? Harper denigrating immigrants? Harper fought for the immigrant vote as much as anyone else, and raised immigration numbers in an election year. That didn't mean he didn't also play to the concern conservatives have with the unwieldy cost of bringing in the wrong kind of immigrant, and the court-ordered catering to economic migrants who claim immigrant status. Irrational fears? The guy wound up in a closet when a crazed Muslim was involved in a gunman outside the room he was in. I'd hardly call that irrational. You simply regard any concerns about immigration, culture and violence as unjustified and irrational because you're a globalist leftist and see no need of borders.

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You can claim that Liberals play to peoples' emotions but if you don't acknowledge that fear is the Conservatives' ace in the hole, you are a partisan hack and utterly uninteresting.

Can you go ahead and bemoan the state of intolerant and insulting political discourse once again? It sounds so... noble.
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Re: What you need to get a Tim Horton's
« Reply #203 on: January 24, 2018, 05:50:38 am »
1. You simply regard any concerns about immigration, culture and violence as unjustified and irrational because you're a globalist leftist and see no need of borders.

2. Can you go ahead and bemoan the state of intolerant and insulting political discourse once again? It sounds so... noble.

1. Hyperbolic misstatement of my views.
2. Point taken.  I get pissed off when you are (sometimes) on the verge of giving objective analysis, then lapse into reading from the wrinkled and discarded political pamphlets of the Harper conservatives.  I imagine it's how you feel about Waldo when he provides cites, however still only posts things that support Liberals.

Unlike you and Waldo I am independent of party politics, and therefore superior in all ways. :)
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Offline SirJohn

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Re: What you need to get a Tim Horton's
« Reply #204 on: January 24, 2018, 06:22:52 pm »
1. Hyperbolic misstatement of my views.

You have said a number of times you are a globalist, if not in so many words. If I'm wrong please let me know.

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2. Point taken.  I get pissed off when you are (sometimes) on the verge of giving objective analysis, then lapse into reading from the wrinkled and discarded political pamphlets of the Harper conservatives.  I imagine it's how you feel about Waldo when he provides cites, however still only posts things that support Liberals.

Waldo does not provide cites.  you are hardly objective in terms of opinions and beliefs  so shouldn't expect others to be.
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Re: What you need to get a Tim Horton's
« Reply #205 on: January 24, 2018, 06:54:18 pm »
You have said a number of times you are a globalist, if not in so many words. If I'm wrong please let me know.

I could take 'globalist' but this is still wrong:

"You simply regard any concerns about immigration, culture and violence as unjustified and irrational because you're a globalist leftist and see no need of borders."

So adorable how you try to provoke me.

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Waldo does not provide cites. Waldo is a braying ass troll. And you **** me off in some ways too. But you are hardly objective in terms of opinions and beliefs  so shouldn't expect others to be.

I am more objective than you since I can provide a list of issues I have with liberals and you are just taking your first baby steps in saying you're not a conservative.   Grow little butterfly.

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Re: What you need to get a Tim Horton's
« Reply #206 on: January 24, 2018, 07:06:05 pm »
I could take 'globalist' but this is still wrong:

"You simply regard any concerns about immigration, culture and violence as unjustified and irrational because you're a globalist leftist and see no need of borders."

So adorable how you try to provoke me.

I am more objective than you since I can provide a list of issues I have with liberals and you are just taking your first baby steps in saying you're not a conservative.   Grow little butterfly.

It's so adorable how you try to provoke me. I'm guessing most of your list of issues with liberals is probably because they're not far enough to the Left on those issues.
And I have been criticizing the Conservatives for years. I criticized them when they were the Progressive Conservatives, too. Most of that criticisms is because they're not acting very conservative.
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Re: What you need to get a Tim Horton's
« Reply #207 on: January 24, 2018, 07:12:52 pm »
It's so adorable how you try to provoke me.

And how you copy me.

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I'm guessing most of your list of issues with liberals is probably because they're not far enough to the Left on those issues.

Yeah, you never read my posts.

 

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Re: What you need to get a Tim Horton's
« Reply #208 on: January 24, 2018, 08:38:49 pm »
And how you copy me.

Yeah, you never read my posts.

Maybe consider the possibility you aren't the world's best communicator.
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Re: What you need to get a Tim Horton's
« Reply #209 on: January 25, 2018, 10:50:29 am »
Maybe consider the possibility you aren't the world's best communicator.

Actually, yeah that IS a good point.  I would put myself (and you, and most on here for that matter) among the top strat in terms of ability to express thoughts in writing.  In fact, I would probably hire most of you just based on THAT.  But I digress...

If I haven't said it, or have not said it enough...

"I'm guessing most of your list of issues with liberals is probably because they're not far enough to the Left on those issues."

I'm socially very liberal, however I was brought up very religiously Christian which is the source of my morality.  So, devout Catholic upbringing with my parents giving special note to offer tolerance and forgiveness to other religions, especially Jews (the treatment of whom which was a source of shame to Catholics in the 1960s) and races and even gays/Lesbians.

Economically, I happen to believe that you need to spend money to save money.  So social programs need to be justifiable, but also need humanity.  This is a tricky balance which requires also a balance of power and fruitful discussion.  But I work in business so I hate inefficiency and waste.