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Offline wilber

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Re: Victoria says good bye to Sir John A
« Reply #75 on: August 22, 2018, 11:40:21 am »
Vandalism is not compromise.

In the Victoria case, there was no public process. It was an arrangement cooked up in private between two FN bands and council. The reason one council member voted against it was because there had been no public consultation.

It was not put in a museum, it was put in storage.

Compromise would have been public consultation and a new location decided on before it was removed.
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« Reply #76 on: August 22, 2018, 10:06:35 pm »
The thing that seems to rile people is not that Native folks and liberals WANT this, but that it's not a substantive measure to help them.  That's what I am reading anyway.

White people also vote and make decisions on identity issues... should we just embrace it and work through it, or should we make a call to actually do something worthwhile to help people ?

I proposed tying two classes of action together a few pages back but it landed with a dull thud.

To us it's just being PC, to natives it seems to also be truth and reconciliation, which us westerners don't really quite understand.
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« Reply #77 on: August 22, 2018, 10:21:42 pm »
Well they also took Sir John A from the centerpiece of the $10 bill since 1971, to background duties as one of several people featured on the $10 in 2017, to being removed completely to make room for a black woman on the upcoming 2018 bill.
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Re: Victoria says good bye to Sir John A
« Reply #78 on: August 23, 2018, 05:42:27 am »

1. In the Victoria case, there was no public process. It was an arrangement cooked up in private between two FN bands and council. The reason one council member voted against it was because there had been no public consultation.

2. It was not put in a museum, it was put in storage.

3. Compromise would have been public consultation and a new location decided on before it was removed.
1. I stand corrected.

2. I stand corrected.

3. They could have gone further.  I am ok with it personally if managed right.

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Re: Victoria says good bye to Sir John A
« Reply #79 on: August 23, 2018, 03:58:34 pm »
Well they also took Sir John A from the centerpiece of the $10 bill since 1971, to background duties as one of several people featured on the $10 in 2017, to being removed completely to make room for a black woman on the upcoming 2018 bill.

I see, the only thing you can say about  Viola Desmond is that she is black.

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« Reply #80 on: August 23, 2018, 04:10:13 pm »
I see, the only thing you can say about  Viola Desmond is that she is black.

No, I also said she's a woman.  She was also civil rights activist, & someone I greatly respect, but that wasn't the point I was getting at and which you clearly missed.

You're trying to infer I'm a racist, nice try but thanks for playing.  Typical self-righteous slandering bullsh!t.
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Re: Victoria says good bye to Sir John A
« Reply #81 on: August 23, 2018, 04:35:28 pm »
No, I also said she's a woman.  She was also civil rights activist, & someone I greatly respect, but that wasn't the point I was getting at and which you clearly missed.

You're trying to infer I'm a racist, nice try but thanks for playing.  Typical self-righteous slandering bullsh!t.

Can't find where you said all that. Can you point it out.

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« Reply #82 on: August 23, 2018, 07:11:57 pm »
I see, the only thing you can say about  Viola Desmond is that she is black.

That was certainly the only thing Trudeau cared about.
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Re: Victoria says good bye to Sir John A
« Reply #83 on: August 23, 2018, 07:13:41 pm »
No, I also said she's a woman.  She was also civil rights activist, & someone I greatly respect, but that wasn't the point I was getting at and which you clearly missed.

Desmond was not a civil rights activist. She got a ticket for sitting in the white section of a theater while visiting New Glasgow. It's not even evident she knew it was a white section. She took it to court, lost, and neither appealed it nor went to the media nor campaigned on it. She went home and was never seen or heard from again.

She replaces the guy who founded Canada on the bill.
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« Reply #84 on: August 23, 2018, 07:32:43 pm »
Desmond was not a civil rights activist. She got a ticket for sitting in the white section of a theater while visiting New Glasgow. It's not even evident she knew it was a white section. She took it to court, lost, and neither appealed it nor went to the media nor campaigned on it. She went home and was never seen or heard from again.

She replaces the guy who founded Canada on the bill.

I see, so racism is equally acceptable toward Black people as it is toward Canada's Native people in your view. Now we're getting to the bottom line.
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« Reply #85 on: August 23, 2018, 10:13:48 pm »
Can't find where you said all that. Can you point it out.

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Re: Victoria says good bye to Sir John A
« Reply #87 on: August 24, 2018, 11:43:56 am »
I see, so racism is equally acceptable toward Black people as it is toward Canada's Native people in your view. Now we're getting to the bottom line.

I don't find racism acceptable which is why I don't find your racist views acceptable.
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« Reply #88 on: August 24, 2018, 11:49:32 am »
I don't find racism acceptable which is why I don't find your racist views acceptable.

You must not read your own posts.

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Re: Victoria says good bye to Sir John A
« Reply #89 on: August 24, 2018, 12:11:25 pm »
You must not read your own posts.

Nothing about my posts are racist. You simply can't handle the fact that I am a judgmental bastard and insist on judging people without the 'special exemption' you grant to minorities.

I do not share your view that they are inferiors incapable of meeting the same standards of behavior.
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