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Offline SirJohn

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Re: Vancouver passes Manhattan and San Francisco!
« Reply #30 on: November 12, 2017, 03:21:28 pm »
The way they are managing it is by bringing in foreign guest workers. Doesn't that sound a little like immigration to you?

Canada does that too, despite immigration.

We only need about 100k immigrants to stabilize our population

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/10/21/skills-gap-canada-labour-shortage_n_4138487.html

To avoid having our retiree to worker percentage grow, well...

Canada would have to take in 2.6 million immigrants a year by 2020 and seven million by 2050 raising its population to 165.4-million if it wants to keep its ratio of retirees-to workers at its current 20%, according to a study from the C.D. Howe Institute.

https://www.pressreader.com/canada/national-post-latest-edition/20060927/282389804967681
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Re: Vancouver passes Manhattan and San Francisco!
« Reply #31 on: November 12, 2017, 03:30:29 pm »
And how is this helped by importing immigrants without the requisite skillset to command sufficient salaries that they are actually paying taxes, as opposed to consuming services like health care which others must pay for?

We don't need as many as we are getting. Our population would be stabilized with 100k, and we should be doing our best to get those who are going to pay taxes and adapt well to our culture and values.

Perhaps you missed what I pointed out as to how our immigration policy requires 60% of those coming here to qualify for the  economic category.

Offline TimG

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Re: Vancouver passes Manhattan and San Francisco!
« Reply #32 on: November 12, 2017, 03:32:53 pm »
The way they are managing it is by bringing in foreign guest workers. Doesn't that sound a little like immigration to you?
The population of Japan - including guest workers - is declining. What I am proposing is that immigration continue in Canada - just at a rate to keep the population stable.

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Re: Vancouver passes Manhattan and San Francisco!
« Reply #33 on: November 12, 2017, 03:40:09 pm »
The population of Japan - including guest workers - is declining. What I am proposing is that immigration continue in Canada - just at a rate to keep the population stable.

And that's your prerogative. I myself would prefer to see the economy grow in parallel with immigration. Well regulated of course, but we do that pretty well now, and we would need to identify a saturation point, but we are far from that to date.

Offline SirJohn

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Re: Vancouver passes Manhattan and San Francisco!
« Reply #34 on: November 12, 2017, 04:03:36 pm »
Perhaps you missed what I pointed out as to how our immigration policy requires 60% of those coming here to qualify for the  economic category.

I don't care if they all have multiple PHDs. The economic success rate of immigrants continues to deteriorate. You bring in a guy with a masters in engineering and expect him to work when he can't speak English? Not going to happen. The Tories thought degrees was the way to go, but the professional ranks in Canada have a very high insistence on superior communication skills. Taxi driver English won't cut it. You have to digest and regurgitate complex technical information in English, in writing and orally.

One of the main reasons the immigrants with the highest economic success come from Europe, India and the Philippines is because there is a very high exposure to English in those areas. Far higher than what you see in the middle east, China and north africa.
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Re: Vancouver passes Manhattan and San Francisco!
« Reply #35 on: November 12, 2017, 04:05:39 pm »
And that's your prerogative. I myself would prefer to see the economy grow in parallel with immigration. Well regulated of course, but we do that pretty well now, and we would need to identify a saturation point, but we are far from that to date.

Foreign born population
US     12%
UK     12.5%
Can    20.5%

That is expected to rise to 30% within twenty years, according to stats canada, but that was before Trudeau announced the increases to immigration.
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Re: Vancouver passes Manhattan and San Francisco!
« Reply #36 on: November 12, 2017, 04:10:21 pm »
Foreign born population
US     12%
UK     12.5%
Can    20.5%

That is expected to rise to 30% within twenty years, according to stats canada, but that was before Trudeau announced the increases to immigration.

I assume that offends your xenophobic tendencies.

Offline TimG

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Re: Vancouver passes Manhattan and San Francisco!
« Reply #37 on: November 12, 2017, 04:13:27 pm »
we do that pretty well now, and we would need to identify a saturation point, but we are far from that to date.
The housing price problem proves you wrong. How high will property prices have to go before you think there is a problem? Would 10 million for a studio in TO be too much? Perhaps 50 million? At what point would you accept that bringing more and more people is not a net benefit?