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Offline Queefer Sutherland

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Re: UBI - are you Aye or Nay?
« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2022, 10:50:37 am »
Ok, so you have identified that the economy is not an execution of collective moral activity. 

If there were a way to pay people to do nothing - would you be against that ?  You DID use the term 'lazy' which is a moralistic take.

Paying (incentivizing) people to do nothing is not a productive use of government resources.  We're already running deficits before COVID hit.

Everyone needs income in order to live.  Food, shelter, clothes etc takes money.  If you're a healthy adult of working age and aren't making your own money through your own labour to provide your own income then you are literally relying on the labour of others to provide you income to survive via welfare/UBI whatever.  Taxes come from the private sector which is money derived from real economic activity (work).  It is a moral argument to say that we should take money by force from working people (tax them) and give that money to people who just don't want to work for whatever reason they please.  What is the moral or functional basis for this?  How is this fair for the working people to subsidize the rest that don't?  Especially when that tax money can be put towards other social programs that would actually help people with real need, like the healthcare system or long-term care.

If you're a adult and you depend on someone else for your income (besides possibly your spouse) then you are a dependent, you are essentially a child.  You are not an independent, self-functioning member of society.  You're a mooch.  This is not behaviour worth subsidizing or incentivizing.

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Ok.  The devil is in the details about refusing "suitable" work but that exists today. 
"Suitable work" is work that is "below" people's standards that can't find work in their field or near their house you mean?  It's far more economically productive for an unemployed accountant to take a job at Walmart than be on the public dole.  It's a bit different with EI because people say into EI, it's an insurance program.

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If they don't - shouldn't we subsidize good music ?  Hint: we do now.

We can subsidize the arts, sure.  But there are some limits.  Paying someone a full income do something that has little or no economic value should be carefully considered.  It might be valuable, it might be a waste of resources.  We simply don't have the money to pay tons of people to play music on the street when we have serious problems in healthcare and housing etc.
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