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« Reply #885 on: April 24, 2018, 10:44:53 am »
Well waldo, why is it that you are the only one who isn't required to provide cites to back up your bafflegab? I went back 12 pages on this topic and the only one you have provided was sources of Canadian oil imports.

I asked for citation... more pointedly, my statements are historical fact. If you presume to challenge the waldo, challenge historical fact, per my prior post to you, start here... and... here:

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« Reply #886 on: April 24, 2018, 10:46:18 am »
I asked for citation... more pointedly, my statements are historical fact. If you presume to challenge the waldo, challenge historical fact, per my prior post to you, start here... and... here:

Like I said, bafflegab. None of the sources you demand of others.
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« Reply #887 on: April 24, 2018, 10:52:50 am »
Like I said, bafflegab. None of the sources you demand of others.

the only bafflegab is yours - you've added nothing to counter/challenge anything I've stated. Hard to believe such vitriolic western alienation can't muster anything but your continued pattern of drive-by swipes! Go figure, hey! Again, start here... and... here:

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« Reply #888 on: April 24, 2018, 10:59:38 am »
the only bafflegab is yours - you've added nothing to counter/challenge anything I've stated. Hard to believe such vitriolic western alienation can't muster anything but your continued pattern of drive-by swipes! Go figure, hey! Again, start here... and... here:

What does Diefenbaker have to do with Trudeau's NEP? Do you deny that there was no intention to supply Western oil to Eastern markets in the NEP? Do you deny that the resources of oil producing provinces were taxed in order to pay for the objectives of the NEP? That much of that tax was used to subsidize Eastern oil imports while forcing Alberta to sell its oil at only 40% of the current world price, while the rest of the world's oil producing countries were cashing in at Alberta's expense.?

You provided a quote not a source. You have a habit of quoting things out of context without a cite so people can see the whole article and its author. 
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« Reply #889 on: April 24, 2018, 11:54:26 am »
What does Diefenbaker have to do with Trudeau's NEP?

please educate yourself on what Diefenbaker's Royal Commission was intended for... what Diefenbaker's direction in creating NEB resulted in establishing - what the resulting formalized Diefenbaker 'National Oil Policy' caused - all of it laying the foundation against a direct national ("Edmonton-to-Montreal") oil pipeline... all of it (aided and abetted by Conservative PM Mulroney's FTA/NAFTA wizardry) establishing the 6+ decades status-quo of Eastern foreign oil imports and Western oil exports discounted to further satisfy the wants of U.S. petro multi-nationals. That resulted in the loss of, and any ability to establish, greater Canadian ownership and ultimately control of refineries/pipelines... that resulted in the loss of Canadian ownership/control of our own resources; the loss of Canadian sovereignty, loss of self-sufficiency, etc.. Where, Western Canadian oil producers have never had meaningful access to domestic markets... and why the majority of Canada's population is still subject to, "the vagaries of international oil geopolitics and continental energy economics" - look back in history at the price of oil and the significant world crisis events - no biggee, hey!

imagine a national energy/resource strategy, one in an early enough time frame that still allowed for countering today's status-quo where Canada/Alberta is simply the U.S./BigOil's feeder resource lapdog. Imagine a national energy/resource strategy intended to ultimately establish Canadian control, determination and ownership of our own resources... to maintain Canadian sovereignty, determine Canada's self-sufficiency, etc.. Imagine a national energy/resource strategy with policy goals to, "establish Canadian security of supply and ultimate independence from the world oil market; to create opportunities for all Canadians to participate in the energy industry; particularly oil and gas, and to share in the benefits of its expansion; and fairness, with a pricing and revenue-sharing regime that recognized the needs and rights of all Canadians. Imagine a national energy/resource strategy that was designed to promote oil self-sufficiency for Canada, maintain the oil supply, particularly for the industrial base in eastern Canada, promote Canadian ownership of the energy industry, promote lower prices, promote exploration for oil in Canada, promote alternative energy sources, and increase government revenues from oil sales through a variety of taxes and agreements.

imagine all that; or... simply play a kimmyish strawman or go classic kimmy and further pump your so-called "western alienation". As I stated, in the very short time frame it existed, there was a timely national strategy in place to work towards those goals/ends. Classic kimmy bellows, "wishful thinking"... multiple times now! One-way street wishful thinking - kimmyish at its best! Western alienation - aka, mice-nutRoyalties-R-Us!  ;D

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« Reply #890 on: April 24, 2018, 02:22:03 pm »

You provided a quote not a source. You have a habit of quoting things out of context without a cite so people can see the whole article and its author.

Yes and you know this so WhyTF do you continue to entertain the troll?

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« Reply #891 on: April 24, 2018, 02:35:19 pm »
Yes and you know this so WhyTF do you continue to entertain the troll?

Bah, a pox on you too.

You’re right, besides I’m already reading a book.



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« Reply #892 on: April 24, 2018, 03:35:56 pm »
Yes and you know this so WhyTF do you continue to entertain the troll?

 ;D a drive-by troll! Are you also western alienated? If so, why so? It's a shame you haven't anything more to contribute beyond your trollish drive-by...

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« Reply #893 on: April 24, 2018, 04:07:54 pm »
The Hill just posted a perspective (ok, opinion piece) on the Kinder Morgan pipeline.

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« Reply #894 on: April 24, 2018, 04:25:58 pm »
The Hill just posted a perspective (ok, opinion piece) on the Kinder Morgan pipeline.

More specifically they posted the opinion of one Thomas D Fisk, with the notion that
THE VIEWS EXPRESSED BY CONTRIBUTORS ARE THEIR OWN AND NOT THE VIEW OF THE HILL

So who is Thomas D Fisk? Why, he is an American environmentalist and a professor of environmental science at an American university.

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The British Columbia government has good reason to oppose the Trans Mountain pipeline. Further development of the Canadian tar sands — vast deposits of unconventional petroleum that requires massive inputs of energy and disturbance of the boreal forest to extract — would threaten its coastline and lock in big increases in greenhouse gas emissions, reducing the chances of limiting climate

The pipelines will disturb the 'boreal forest'? Oh my! And they will lock in 'big increases in greenhouse gas emission, reducing the chances of limiting climate change'. Yet Canada's entire contribution to greenhouse gases is about the same as India's INCREASE this year. That's how small it is. It's insignificant. And the oil sands are only 12% of that. India's ADDITIONAL contributions are equivalent to 8 oil sands. Just this year. And they plan to do it again for 20 years.

A threat to the coastline is legitimate, which is why we need to have double hulled tankers and take precautions. But the rest is just ridiculous bleating.
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« Reply #895 on: April 24, 2018, 04:42:54 pm »
More specifically they posted the opinion of one Thomas D Fisk, with the notion that
THE VIEWS EXPRESSED BY CONTRIBUTORS ARE THEIR OWN AND NOT THE VIEW OF THE HILL

So who is Thomas D Fisk? Why, he is an American environmentalist and a professor of environmental science at an American university.

The pipelines will disturb the 'boreal forest'? Oh my! And they will lock in 'big increases in greenhouse gas emission, reducing the chances of limiting climate change'. Yet Canada's entire contribution to greenhouse gases is about the same as India's INCREASE this year. That's how small it is. It's insignificant. And the oil sands are only 12% of that. India's ADDITIONAL contributions are equivalent to 8 oil sands. Just this year. And they plan to do it again for 20 years.

A threat to the coastline is legitimate, which is why we need to have double hulled tankers and take precautions. But the rest is just ridiculous bleating.

You don't seem to get the fact that of course countries with higher population densities will consume more fossil fuels than others, such as us.  Countries with the funds and technology need to lead the way toward reducing AGW. to simply sit back and say Oh well India burns more oil than we do is simply an attempt to stick your head in the sand. Even India has signed onto the Paris Accord so at least they have realized the need to move that way.

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« Reply #896 on: April 24, 2018, 07:59:55 pm »
Does anyone seriously believe these countries will stop using fossil fuels just because some people in BC don't want any sold to them?

Wait a minute, BC will sell them all the coal they want though.
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« Reply #897 on: April 24, 2018, 08:40:24 pm »
Does anyone seriously believe these countries will stop using fossil fuels just because some people in BC don't want any sold to them?

Wait a minute, BC will sell them all the coal they want though.

So we just sit here with our thumbs up are arses until we suck the last barrel of sludge from the ground. That's good planning.

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« Reply #898 on: April 24, 2018, 08:49:05 pm »
So we just sit here with our thumbs up are arses until we suck the last barrel of sludge from the ground. That's good planning.

You think we are so high and mighty that we have the right to enforce other peoples behaviour? Do you think we have one iota of influence when it comes to the planning of  India and China? I wonder how sanctimonious British Columbians would be if it was their oil and their economy was at stake.
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« Reply #899 on: April 24, 2018, 08:53:26 pm »
You think we are so high and mighty that we have the right to enforce other peoples behaviour? Do you think we have one iota of influence when it comes to the planning of  India and China? I wonder how sanctimonious British Columbians would be if it was their oil and their economy was at stake.

Hopefully we are smart enough to do our own planning and that nudges us towards smarter alternatives to oil.