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Offline TimG

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Re: The Wreck of BC
« Reply #690 on: April 17, 2018, 11:00:28 pm »
You think the wind is going to stop blowing and the sun is going to stop shining?
No. But we will eventually run out of the materials needed to turn the wind and sun into useful energy.

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« Reply #691 on: April 17, 2018, 11:06:17 pm »
No. But we will eventually run out of the materials needed to turn the wind and sun into useful energy.

I'm not sure why you think how we would run out of magnets or copper wire and the water to spin them around, or reflectors to focus the suns rays onto photo voltaic s,  but I can tell you we will run out of oil sludge a lot more predictably.

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« Reply #692 on: April 18, 2018, 08:33:19 am »
BC has no other sources of crude or refined product to replace what comes through the Trans Mountain, so they will still have to buy from Alberta.

Just across the border are a half dozen refineries with a combined output of about 5 times BC's demand, they should have some spare capacity. Like them, the Burnaby refinery could use Alaskan crude and make up the difference. Shut down that pipeline completely.
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« Reply #693 on: April 18, 2018, 09:08:20 am »
Just across the border are a half dozen refineries with a combined output of about 5 times BC's demand, they should have some spare capacity. Like them, the Burnaby refinery could use Alaskan crude and make up the difference. Shut down that pipeline completely.

FFS: yeah go ahead and shut the pipeline, we donít want no tankers in our waters.  Weíll just get oil from Alaska....  ::)

HolyF this is stupid but duh, I guess Alaska oil is better than dilbit, duh ....

Also, I donít think those refineries have the spare capacity you think they have.

But ultimately I look forward to higher prices as that will, in the long run, change behaviour making Alberta nothing less than North Montana.
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« Reply #694 on: April 18, 2018, 09:18:25 am »
Just across the border are a half dozen refineries with a combined output of about 5 times BC's demand, they should have some spare capacity. Like them, the Burnaby refinery could use Alaskan crude and make up the difference. Shut down that pipeline completely.
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I suggest you do a little research on the existing Trans Mountain. 53% of its capacity goes to those WA refineries because we donít have the refinery capacity to supply our needs. Only 33% goes to Burnaby.
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Re: The Wreck of BC
« Reply #695 on: April 18, 2018, 09:31:53 am »
Just across the border are a half dozen refineries with a combined output of about 5 times BC's demand, they should have some spare capacity. Like them, the Burnaby refinery could use Alaskan crude and make up the difference. Shut down that pipeline completely.
So you figure people living in the Okanagan can go screw themselves so the self absorbed hypocrites in the lower mainland can "take a stand"? 

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« Reply #696 on: April 18, 2018, 09:47:31 am »
Current Trans Mountain Output

54% Puget Sound system (Washington State Refineries)
33% Burnaby Terminal
9% Westridge Marine Terminal
4% Kamloops Terminal

By shutting down Trans Mountain, they would be squeezing the American's supply as well.

https://www.transmountain.com/product-destination
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« Reply #697 on: April 18, 2018, 10:08:12 am »
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I suggest you do a little research on the existing Trans Mountain. 53% of its capacity goes to those WA refineries because we donít have the refinery capacity to supply our needs. Only 33% goes to Burnaby.

How much of that 53% comes back into BC as refined product?

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« Reply #698 on: April 18, 2018, 10:15:30 am »
So you figure people living in the Okanagan can go screw themselves so the self absorbed hypocrites in the lower mainland can "take a stand"?


No, this is about the adopted child who was given everything and continually whines and makes threats. Time for Alberta to grow up.

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« Reply #699 on: April 18, 2018, 10:42:12 am »
No, this is about the adopted child who was given everything and continually whines and makes threats. Time for Alberta to grow up.
Adopted child? As if BC's status is any different. You also mean the adopted child that has been putting more money into equalization than any other province: BC included.

The fact is legally and morally BC has an obligation to facilitate transport of goods from other provinces. Anyone who thinks these legal and moral obligations can be ignored is an self centered child that does not understand what being part of a family means.

None of that changes the fact that without ports the Okanagan would be screwed if transmountain was turned off or do you picture convoys of fuel rations going through the Coquihalla?
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« Reply #700 on: April 18, 2018, 10:56:45 am »
You also mean the adopted child that has been putting more money into equalization than any other province: BC included.
So what? Does Alberta pay a higher federal tax rate? No they don't. They pay the exact same thing as everyone else.

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« Reply #701 on: April 18, 2018, 10:57:56 am »
even if Trans Mountain expansion were a go... 5+ years out before any actual increased export (tanker traffic) - so... in the interim just how is poor KM to survive? Wait, what - rail? Who said rail (dilbit or raw)... who said that? Well then, if the industry isn't capable of presenting representative case study in just how dilbit will be recovered after a tanker "incident"... who said rail?

besides, isn't KXL a go? Does every bigOil outfit get its own pipeline to tidewater?

Same problem, it goes to the US which means Alberta has to sell at a discount.

Saskatchewan to.

no - as intended for U.S. Gulf Coast Refineries... for principally Asian/South Pacific export... KXL price projections reflect upon the price for tar sludge significantly narrowing the current price gap to the U.S. benchmark. As it stands, Trans Canada states it has secured 2/3 of the 830,000 bbd KXL expansion (on 20 year contract commitments from Gulf Coast shippers).

meanwhile Kinder Morgan's Trans Mountain (intended) expansion would increase capacity from the current 300,000 bbd to 890,000 bbd.

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« Reply #702 on: April 18, 2018, 11:01:16 am »
So what? Does Alberta pay a higher federal tax rate? No they don't. They pay the exact same thing as everyone else.

all these nobs that continue to play the equalization card without actually understanding just how equalization works... or more pointedly, recognizing the overall balance sheet in terms of federal funding to provinces that makes equalization payments look like mice-nuts - notwithstanding the overall tax base of respective provinces filling the federal coffers in the first place.

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« Reply #703 on: April 18, 2018, 11:14:34 am »
So what? Does Alberta pay a higher federal tax rate? No they don't. They pay the exact same thing as everyone else.

Are you kidding? That is oil that wonít be refined for anyoneís use if it is shut off. You should really do a little research of your own.
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« Reply #704 on: April 18, 2018, 11:33:59 am »
Are you kidding? That is oil that wonít be refined for anyoneís use if it is shut off. You should really do a little research of your own.
So what? We need to be focused on going where the parade is going to be, not grasping at a dying commodity.