Author Topic: The Wreck of BC  (Read 9887 times)

0 Members and 3 Guests are viewing this topic.

Offline wilber

  • Administrator
  • Full Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9120
Re: The Wreck of BC
« Reply #630 on: April 17, 2018, 11:35:40 am »

And I'm not sure if you noticed, but BC's government changed hands during the time KM spent that billion dollars.

Yes and like I said before, who wants to invest billions getting a project approved when a few protesters and one provincial election can blow the whole thing out of the water, after it has been approved and you have started work.

Would you call that a level headed country to do business? Investors have to believe that agreements made in good faith with this country's governments can be counted on, even if those governments change. If they can't, there will be future consequences.
"Never trust a man without a single redeeming vice" WSC
Agree Agree x 1 View List

Offline BC_cheque

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 2236
Re: The Wreck of BC
« Reply #631 on: April 17, 2018, 11:42:02 am »
Yes and like I said before, who wants to invest billions getting a project approved when a few protesters and one provincial election can blow the whole thing out of the water, after it has been approved and you have started work.

Would you call that a level headed country to do business? Investors have to believe that agreements made in good faith with this country's governments can be counted on, even if those governments change. If they can't, there will be future consequences.

Again, I never disputed that BC's change in government and policy started KM's trepidation, I just said that Alberta's oil embargo isn't going to help their cause. 

So for example, the idea of the federal and Alberta government investing their own money will go further to ease KM's trepidation should there not be a resolution by May 31st, but by turning it into a complete ****-show, they're not helping their own cause.

You can keep arguing against something I never said though, of course.

Offline wilber

  • Administrator
  • Full Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9120
Re: The Wreck of BC
« Reply #632 on: April 17, 2018, 11:45:03 am »
Again, I never disputed that BC's change in government and policy started KM's trepidation, I just said that Alberta's oil embargo isn't going to help their cause. 



Maybe from your point of view but you don't speak for everyone in this province.
"Never trust a man without a single redeeming vice" WSC

Offline BC_cheque

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 2236
Re: The Wreck of BC
« Reply #633 on: April 17, 2018, 11:52:04 am »
Maybe from your point of view but you don't speak for everyone in this province.

???

How on earth did you get that I said I'm speaking for the province in what I just posted?

Seriously, please elaborate.

Offline waldo

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 8713
Re: The Wreck of BC
« Reply #634 on: April 17, 2018, 11:58:48 am »
Yes and like I said before, who wants to invest billions getting a project approved when a few protesters and one provincial election can blow the whole thing out of the water, after it has been approved and you have started work.

so... KM invested billions in getting Trans Mountain expansion approved (federally)? Really? Citation request

Offline wilber

  • Administrator
  • Full Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9120
Re: The Wreck of BC
« Reply #635 on: April 17, 2018, 12:06:03 pm »
so... KM invested billions in getting Trans Mountain expansion approved (federally)? Really? Citation request

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/kinder-morgan-canada-limited-suspends-non-essential-spending-on-trans-mountain-expansion-project-300626072.html

1.1 billion spent on approval process and completed work.

It was also approved by the former provincial government.
« Last Edit: April 17, 2018, 12:09:51 pm by wilber »
"Never trust a man without a single redeeming vice" WSC

Offline wilber

  • Administrator
  • Full Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9120
Re: The Wreck of BC
« Reply #636 on: April 17, 2018, 12:07:40 pm »
???

How on earth did you get that I said I'm speaking for the province in what I just posted?

Seriously, please elaborate.

Your insistence that this will not help Alberta's cause. You don't know that at all.
"Never trust a man without a single redeeming vice" WSC

Offline BC_cheque

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 2236
Re: The Wreck of BC
« Reply #637 on: April 17, 2018, 12:10:59 pm »
Your insistence that this will not help Alberta's cause. You don't know that at all.

It's an opinion just like you have your opinion, but why on earth would you say that I think I'm speaking for the province??

Offline wilber

  • Administrator
  • Full Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9120
Re: The Wreck of BC
« Reply #638 on: April 17, 2018, 12:13:58 pm »
It's an opinion just like you have your opinion, but why on earth would you say that I think I'm speaking for the province??

Well, I don't know if it will or not. I hope it doesn't go that far but if it does, Alberta will have little to lose by trying it.
"Never trust a man without a single redeeming vice" WSC

Offline waldo

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 8713
Re: The Wreck of BC
« Reply #639 on: April 17, 2018, 12:23:18 pm »
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/kinder-morgan-canada-limited-suspends-non-essential-spending-on-trans-mountain-expansion-project-300626072.html

1.1 billion spent on approval process and completed work.

It was also approved by the former provincial government.

notwithstanding your rhetoric stated "billions", plural, that KM propaganda statement isn't a legitimate audited accounting of your stated reference to "approval"... besides, the only reason KM has put the artificial deadline date forward is to maximize weather imposed construction restrictions - nothing more, nothing less.

Offline wilber

  • Administrator
  • Full Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9120
Re: The Wreck of BC
« Reply #640 on: April 17, 2018, 12:25:09 pm »
notwithstanding your rhetoric stated "billions", plural, that KM propaganda statement isn't a legitimate audited accounting of your stated reference to "approval"... besides, the only reason KM has put the artificial deadline date forward is to maximize weather imposed construction restrictions - nothing more, nothing less.

Doesn't matter what you think, it's their money.
"Never trust a man without a single redeeming vice" WSC

Offline BC_cheque

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 2236
Re: The Wreck of BC
« Reply #641 on: April 17, 2018, 12:31:27 pm »
Well, I don't know if it will or not. I hope it doesn't go that far but if it does, Alberta will have little to lose by trying it.

First, you still haven't acknowledged that you accused me of speaking for the province when I did no such thing.

Second, I already gave you my reason for why I don't think this will not help Alberta's cause.  I reiterate:  *I believe* (not the province) that an approach like Trudeau's about investing federal money will go further in calming the concerns of KM should there not be a resolution by May 31st, than to turn the whole thing into a ****-show the way Alberta is doing.  It doesn't fair well in creating an air reassurance.

It's one thing to have one player create a **** show, it's a whole other thing for both parties to start behaving that way.  That's my point.

Third, saying trepidation already existed or that I'm speaking for the province does not refute the point I'm raising.
Like Like x 1 View List

Offline wilber

  • Administrator
  • Full Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9120
Re: The Wreck of BC
« Reply #642 on: April 17, 2018, 12:40:28 pm »
First, you still haven't acknowledged that you accused me of speaking for the province when I did no such thing.

Second, I already gave you my reason for why I don't think this will not help Alberta's cause.  I reiterate:  *I believe* (not the province) that an approach like Trudeau's about investing federal money will go further in calming the concerns of KM should there not be a resolution by May 31st, than to turn the whole thing into a ****-show the way Alberta is doing.  It doesn't fair well in creating an air reassurance.

It's one thing to have one player create a **** show, it's a whole other thing for both parties to start behaving that way.  That's my point.

Third, saying trepidation already existed or that I'm speaking for the province does not refute the point I'm raising.


BC is claiming they have jurisdiction over what gets shipped from BC. What is Alberta doing that is different?

I doubt Alberta wants to use this but I don't think it does them any harm by making it clear they prepared to if there is no resolution. I believe it is aimed at the Federal government as much as BC. 

"Never trust a man without a single redeeming vice" WSC

Offline Omni

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 8563
Re: The Wreck of BC
« Reply #643 on: April 17, 2018, 12:55:52 pm »

BC is claiming they have jurisdiction over what gets shipped from BC. What is Alberta doing that is different?

I doubt Alberta wants to use this but I don't think it does them any harm by making it clear they prepared to if there is no resolution. I believe it is aimed at the Federal government as much as BC.

And the latest I hear is that Alberta is considering trying to curb the flow of fuels into BC as an arm twisting technique, which apparently could drive the price of gas up ~45%. The god damn stuff is already ridiculously over priced.

Offline BC_cheque

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 2236
Re: The Wreck of BC
« Reply #644 on: April 17, 2018, 01:00:43 pm »
And the latest I hear is that Alberta is considering trying to curb the flow of fuels into BC as an arm twisting technique, which apparently could drive the price of gas up ~45%. The god damn stuff is already ridiculously over priced.

To show how mad they are for not selling more oil, they are going to sell even less oil!

Genius.   ???