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Offline JMT

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Re: The Wreck of BC
« Reply #600 on: April 16, 2018, 10:21:33 am »
Kinda like Montreal not wanting a pipeline despite both Montreal and Quebec city dumping raw sewage into the St. Lawrence.

Because oil and sewage are so the same.  Montreal dumped raw sewage in order to prevent further dumps in the future, btw.
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« Reply #601 on: April 16, 2018, 10:40:49 am »
Quebec has the same mentality though. Tankers and pipelines are just fine if they are used to supply Quebec but heaven forbid they supply anyone else.
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« Reply #602 on: April 16, 2018, 11:37:40 am »
Quebec has the same mentality though. Tankers and pipelines are just fine if they are used to supply Quebec but heaven forbid they supply anyone else.
There is some opportunity for schadenfreude as Quebec Hydro has seen the same NIMBY crap used to block a new transmission line to the US:
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2013/02/23/sparks_fly_in_new_hampshire_over_hydroquebecs_northern_pass_power_line.html

Storie like this illustrate why it is insane to suggest that local governments should have any kind of veto over transportation infrastructure.



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« Reply #603 on: April 16, 2018, 11:48:42 am »
it is insane to suggest that local governments should have any kind of veto over transportation infrastructure.

I want to put a highway through your living room - too bad for you.
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« Reply #604 on: April 16, 2018, 11:54:58 am »
I want to put a highway through your living room - too bad for you.

Actually they can do that as long as they give you at least fair market value for your property. It's called expropriation.
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« Reply #605 on: April 16, 2018, 11:56:10 am »
Actually they can do that as long as they give you at least fair market value for your property. It's called expropriation.

I want to put a railroad beside your bedroom, but you get zero because it is not your property I am expropriating.
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« Reply #606 on: April 16, 2018, 11:57:22 am »
Because oil and sewage are so the same. 

I started typing this yesterday and then decided against posting it.  If someone really can't tell why poop and bitumen are different there is really no use arguing.
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« Reply #607 on: April 16, 2018, 12:00:12 pm »
I started typing this yesterday and then decided against posting it.  If someone really can't tell why poop and bitumen are different there is really no use arguing.

No one is advocating pumping bitumen into the ocean.
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« Reply #608 on: April 16, 2018, 12:02:04 pm »
I want to put a railroad beside your bedroom, but you get zero because it is not your property I am expropriating.

Maybe. You do get a say at public hearings, just like with any development built next to your property.
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« Reply #609 on: April 16, 2018, 12:16:39 pm »
No one is advocating pumping bitumen into the ocean.

Yet another reason why the sewer argument has no place in the discussion.

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« Reply #610 on: April 16, 2018, 12:19:46 pm »
Yet another reason why the sewer argument has no place in the discussion.

I think the point is, concern for the environment can be very selective.
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« Reply #611 on: April 16, 2018, 12:24:37 pm »
I think the point is, concern for the environment can be very selective.

Which bring us back to JMT’s post with which I agreed.

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« Reply #612 on: April 16, 2018, 12:26:24 pm »
I want to put a railroad beside your bedroom, but you get zero because it is not your property I am expropriating.
Yep. And that is the way it has to be because sometimes the greater good from infrastructure exceeds to harm caused to locals. Any other position would be like saying governments can never build infrastructure ever again because someone, somewhere will always be adversely affected. Locals can express opposition but if the government decides the project needs to go forward they should not be able to stop it.
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« Reply #613 on: April 16, 2018, 12:33:24 pm »
Which bring us back to JMT’s post with which I agreed.

I was thinking more of Victoria which was finally shamed into building treatment after decades of claiming dumping raw sewage was doing no harm.

Including a former  Federal Minster of Environment who's riding was Victoria.
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