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Offline SirJohn

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« Reply #570 on: April 13, 2018, 11:27:42 am »
Oh BC, say it ain't so! You wondrous environmentalists! You great thundering demonizers of the fossil fuel industry! Surely not! LOL. Brainless **** hypocrites!

Vancouver’s various coal facilities exported 36.8 million tonnes of coal in 2017, according to the Vancouver Fraser Port Authority.

This places the B.C. city well above Norfolk, Virginia, the busiest coal port in the United States. Despite a massive spike in U.S. coal exports for 2017, only 31.5 million tonnes of coal moved out of Norfolk last year.

Vancouver’s coal exports also dwarf the total coal production for the entire country of Mexico. According to data gathered by the U.S. Congressional Research Service, Mexican mines have produced no more than 16 million tonnes of coal per year since 2006.

“Coal production is a mainstay of the province’s economy, generating billions of dollars in annual revenue and supporting thousands of well-paid jobs,” reads the website for B.C.’s Ministry of Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources.

Coal is the province’s number one export commodity, with $3.32 billion of coal mined in 2016. Much of this is metallurgical coal, which is exported to Asia for the making of steel.

http://nationalpost.com/news/politics/yes-anti-pipeline-vancouver-really-is-north-americas-largest-exporter-of-coal
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« Reply #571 on: April 13, 2018, 12:52:27 pm »
Oh BC, say it ain't so! You wondrous environmentalists! You great thundering demonizers of the fossil fuel industry! Surely not! LOL. Brainless **** hypocrites!

Vancouver’s various coal facilities exported 36.8 million tonnes of coal in 2017, according to the Vancouver Fraser Port Authority.

dammit Jim! The leakage is bigly huuuuge!  ;D


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« Reply #572 on: April 13, 2018, 01:05:07 pm »
dammit Jim! The leakage is bigly huuuuge!  ;D



So let's be clear here. This has nothing to do with CO2 emissions because coal produces 30% more than oil for the same amount of energy produced. Importing oil is OK because others take the environment risk in producing what you need. Exporting oil is bad because you have to take some risk to supply others needs. Is that about right?
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« Reply #574 on: April 13, 2018, 02:02:10 pm »
Oh BC, say it ain't so! You wondrous environmentalists! You great thundering demonizers of the fossil fuel industry! Surely not! LOL. Brainless **** hypocrites!


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« Reply #575 on: April 13, 2018, 09:59:22 pm »
BC lost the first 14 court challenges, and they're going to lose #15 too.  At this point, the issue isn't whether the pipeline is getting built or not, it's providing Mr Horgan an exit strategy.  So what's the move?

I am picturing:

 -a "Putting Indigenous People First" endowment to give native people scholarships to attend college and study environmental sciences.

 -a "Saving the Environment" endowment to buy land for natural reserves.

 -an "Environmental Emergency Readiness" endowment to set aside money for clean-ups and for doing research on new cleanup technology.

 -a "Stephane Dion Green **** Endowment" to buy wind-powered scooters for disadvantaged BC kids.


Thoughts?


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« Reply #576 on: April 13, 2018, 10:54:01 pm »
all of them would be good.
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« Reply #577 on: April 14, 2018, 12:11:59 am »
At this point, the issue isn't whether the pipeline is getting built or not, it's providing Mr Horgan an exit strategy.  So what's the move?
The trouble is not Horgan but the Greens. If Horgan caves he faces a revolt in his caucus, loss of Green support and an inevitable election. This would ensure the chaos would continue way beyond the May 31st deadline. Horgan will have to strong arm the Greens and I am afraid that may include rigging the referendum to make it very hard for FTPT to win.

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« Reply #578 on: April 14, 2018, 08:07:03 am »
The trouble is not Horgan but the Greens. If Horgan caves he faces a revolt in his caucus, loss of Green support and an inevitable election. This would ensure the chaos would continue way beyond the May 31st deadline. Horgan will have to strong arm the Greens and I am afraid that may include rigging the referendum to make it very hard for FTPT to win.

Total and complete utter bull crap. Hogan is the man with the power, he has lots of alternatives. Blambing this on the greens is ridiculous beyond measure. The problem is fptp and the divisive nature of party politics.

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« Reply #579 on: April 14, 2018, 09:38:13 am »
Total and complete utter bull crap. Hogan is the man with the power, he has lots of alternatives. Blambing this on the greens is ridiculous beyond measure. The problem is fptp and the divisive nature of party politics.

Huh? A coalition needed for governing, and the disproportionate power wielded by tiny parties is the heart and soul of the complaints about changing fptp to proportional rep. This is actually a perfect example of what proportionate rep leads to, only it leads to it continuously.
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« Reply #580 on: April 14, 2018, 09:50:24 am »
Total and complete utter bull crap. Hogan is the man with the power, he has lots of alternatives. Blambing this on the greens is ridiculous beyond measure. The problem is fptp and the divisive nature of party politics.
Huh? Horgan does not "have the power" since his government can be toppled by the Greens at any time. By approving Site C, Horgan has shown that he can be sensible so if he does not back down on KM and starts a nasty trade war with Alberta the only reason for it will be the obsessions of small group of ideologues who care nothing for the welfare of the country or the people of BC. This is a perfect illustration of why we DON'T want PR or anything that leads to perpetual minority parliments because the concerns of ideologically driven minorities will cause great harm to majority of people in the moderate center.

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« Reply #581 on: April 14, 2018, 11:52:01 am »
A coalition needed for governing, and the disproportionate power wielded by tiny parties is the heart and soul of the complaints about changing fptp to proportional rep. This is actually a perfect example of what proportionate rep leads to, only it leads to it continuously.

Even deeper pile of crap. Governing is about making compromises, only a fascist dictator thinks otherwise.

Horgan does not "have the power" since his government can be toppled by the Greens at any time.

Hogan is free to deal with anyone else than the Greens, if the "moderate center" cannot come together then they are anything but moderate. Heck the other "moderate center" parties are free to make their own coalition and overtake Hogan if they want. Just because the fascist dictator Harper poisoned the brain dead in Canada into thinking that was not possible, does not make it true. This is a democracy of the intelligent, not a fascist dictatorship of the brainless.

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« Reply #582 on: April 14, 2018, 11:55:38 am »
Even deeper pile of crap. Governing is about making compromises, only a fascist dictator thinks otherwise.

Hogan is free to deal with anyone else than the Greens, if the "moderate center" cannot come together then they are anything but moderate. Heck the other "moderate center" parties are free to make their own coalition and overtake Hogan if they want. Just because the fascist dictator Harper poisoned the brain dead in Canada into thinking that was not possible, does not make it true. This is a democracy of the intelligent, not a fascist dictatorship of the brainless.

Facist dictator Harper. Melodramatic drivel. You have no **** clue what a fascist dictator really is.
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« Reply #583 on: April 14, 2018, 12:08:20 pm »
Even deeper pile of crap. Governing is about making compromises, only a fascist dictator thinks otherwise.
The problem today is the Greens are NOT willing to compromise. No pipeline is the only answer they would accept. Compromise is what the big tent parties are able to do when they have a majority. In minorities the different parties need to posture to pander to their voter base and compromise is seen as failure. Look at how Trudeau's "carbon tax for pipelines" plan is vilified by the Greens. That plan is an excellent example of compromise that fell apart because the Greens have dispropotionate control of the government in Victoria.

If you actually believe compromise makes good governance then big tent parties and FPTP is the way to go.
However, I suspect what you call compromise is really about you getting the policies that you want even if the majority disagree.

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« Reply #584 on: April 14, 2018, 12:17:36 pm »
of the government in Victoria.
If you actually believe compromise makes good governance then big tent parties and FPTP is the way to go.
However, I suspect what you call compromise is really about you getting the policies that you want even if the majority disagree.

A shoot and a miss.

Big tent parties are a voter compromise, not a governance compromise. You need to step back and understand the difference.

You call compromise, dictating your entire agenda.