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« Reply #555 on: April 12, 2018, 11:01:19 am »
Talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face...

Unlike 'shutting off the valve'    ::)

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« Reply #556 on: April 12, 2018, 11:31:29 am »
even if Trans Mountain expansion were a go... 5+ years out before any actual increased export (tanker traffic) - so... in the interim just how is poor KM to survive? Wait, what - rail? Who said rail (dilbit or raw)... who said that? Well then, if the industry isn't capable of presenting representative case study in just how dilbit will be recovered after a tanker "incident"... who said rail?

besides, isn't KXL a go? Does every bigOil outfit get its own pipeline to tidewater?


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« Reply #557 on: April 12, 2018, 12:33:23 pm »
Kinder Morgan is the largest independent energy transporter in North America and is much more than a single pipeline. Besides, those trains are too busy carrying coal to Roberts Bank.
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« Reply #558 on: April 12, 2018, 01:05:28 pm »
Looks like there's some Team BC brewing in Quebec.  Good thing Notley still has the powerhouse Saskatchewan on her side!

"The support that you continue to provide to the pipeline project casts a serious cloud on your credibility as a leader in the fight against climate change," the groups told Trudeau in the letter, dated April 12. "Know that the population of Quebec attaches great importance to provincial and municipal authority on environmental issues. Allowing Kinder Morgan to move forward while overstepping municipal regulations and the provincial jurisdiction of British Columbia over its territory is unacceptable."

https://www.nationalobserver.com/2018/04/12/news/trudeau-summons-notley-horgan-ottawa-over-kinder-morgan-quebec-groups-enter-debate



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« Reply #559 on: April 12, 2018, 01:32:41 pm »
Meanwhile, NZ bans offshore drilling while Canada is still a suckling at the teat of petroleum.

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« Reply #560 on: April 12, 2018, 01:37:04 pm »
Looks like there's some Team BC brewing in Quebec.  Good thing Notley still has the powerhouse Saskatchewan on her side!

"The support that you continue to provide to the pipeline project casts a serious cloud on your credibility as a leader in the fight against climate change," the groups told Trudeau in the letter, dated April 12. "Know that the population of Quebec attaches great importance to provincial and municipal authority on environmental issues. Allowing Kinder Morgan to move forward while overstepping municipal regulations and the provincial jurisdiction of British Columbia over its territory is unacceptable."

https://www.nationalobserver.com/2018/04/12/news/trudeau-summons-notley-horgan-ottawa-over-kinder-morgan-quebec-groups-enter-debate


Is this the same Quebec that dumps millions of litres of raw sewage into the St. Lawrence?
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« Reply #561 on: April 12, 2018, 01:41:46 pm »
Is this the same Quebec that dumps millions of litres of raw sewage into the St. Lawrence?

Let's just say they really give a ****  ;) about provincial rights.

The Angus Reid study shows a significant amount of support for the B.C. government comes from Quebec. Sixty-two per cent of people surveyed in Quebec believe provincial governments should have the power to stop pipelines from being built in their jurisdictions. In B.C. 48 per cent believe that, and in Alberta, 20 per cent.

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« Reply #562 on: April 12, 2018, 01:59:35 pm »
Meanwhile, NZ bans offshore drilling while Canada is still a suckling at the teat of petroleum.
ROTFL. The NZ economy depends on huge bunker oil fueled ships taking their agricultural exports to market and returning with manufactured goods. They will be "sucking at the teat" of petroleum for a long time. Get back to us when NZ does something that actually impacts their existing industries like banning fossil fuel power cargo ships...

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« Reply #563 on: April 12, 2018, 02:03:29 pm »
Is this the same Quebec that dumps millions of litres of raw sewage into the St. Lawrence?

Victoria's Mr. Floatie says hi!

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« Reply #564 on: April 12, 2018, 02:10:51 pm »
ROTFL. The NZ economy depends on huge bunker oil fueled ships taking their agricultural exports to market and returning with manufactured goods. They will be "sucking at the teat" of petroleum for a long time. Get back to us when NZ does something that actually impacts their existing industries like banning fossil fuel power cargo ships...

NZ is like Vancouver, they have no qualms about importing fossil fuels to run their economy but convince themselves they are good guys by not producing what they themselves use.
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« Reply #565 on: April 12, 2018, 02:14:50 pm »
Quebec just doesn’t want Ottawa to get any ideas about using economic pressure against provinces. It isn’t really about supporting BC’s pipeline position. They probably couldn’t care less about that.
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« Reply #566 on: April 12, 2018, 02:15:28 pm »
You guys really are clueless. You're concerned too much about where the parade is instead of paying attention to where the parade is going.

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« Reply #567 on: April 12, 2018, 02:19:02 pm »
Let's just say they really give a ****  about provincial rights.
Federations, by definition, divide powers and certain powers, such as international transportation networks, are the exclusive domain of the federal government.
When provincial powers may infringe on federal domain the doctrine of Federal Paramountcy applies:

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The Doctrine of Federal Paramountcy[20]
Federal paramountcy protects federal powers from provincial intrusion. While both the provincial and the federal governments may legislate on a common matter, the federal legislation will prevail in the event of a conflict. [21] There are two types of potential conflict, the first is where “it is impossible to comply with both laws” and the second occurs where “to apply the provincial law would frustrate the purpose of the federal law.”[22] Courts have found federal paramountcy preferable over the application of the interjurisdictional immunity doctrine as it will only limit the provincial legislation to the extent that it conflicts with federal jurisdiction and no further.[23]

IOW - even if the court affirmed the provinces roles in regulating waterways this power could NOT be used to frustrate a federal law.

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« Reply #568 on: April 12, 2018, 02:21:22 pm »
Quebec just doesn’t want Ottawa to get any ideas about using economic pressure against provinces. It isn’t really about supporting BC’s pipeline position. They probably couldn’t care less about that.

Gotta get up pretty early in the morning to fool you eh?

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« Reply #569 on: April 12, 2018, 03:43:54 pm »
Gotta get up pretty early in the morning to fool you eh?

Guess I deserve that for pointing out the obvious.
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