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« Reply #540 on: April 11, 2018, 11:53:45 pm »
Vancouver is really the only place where Horgan's stance is very popular.  Most of the province outside Vancouver isn't even on board with Horgan. Saskatchewan is also backing Alberta, and the rest of Canada understands that even if they don't exactly love oily Alberta, there are still billions of dollars of tax revenue at stake here.

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Oh no, not Saskatchewan!  He got one whole seat there in 2015.  BC's 17 are nothing in comparison.

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« Reply #541 on: April 12, 2018, 12:04:22 am »
Oh no, not Saskatchewan!  He got one whole seat there in 2015.  BC's 17 are nothing in comparison.

(whatever.)  The federal Liberals understand that dicking around with billions of dollars of investment and revenue is a bad idea. Trudeau's advisers and paymasters understand that.  I expect that most of Canada understands that as well. I could be wrong.

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« Reply #542 on: April 12, 2018, 12:06:58 am »
(whatever.)  The federal Liberals understand that dicking around with billions of dollars of investment and revenue is a bad idea. Trudeau's advisers and paymasters understand that.  I expect that most of Canada understands that as well. I could be wrong.

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Joking aside, I do agree with you.  We both know it'll get built, but I see Trudeau's dilemma in all this.  Saskatchewan and Alberta aren't really in his political interest whereas pissing off lower mainland could fair badly for him next year.  But on the flip side there's the $$$$.  Conundrum. 

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« Reply #543 on: April 12, 2018, 12:18:23 am »

Joking aside, I do agree with you.  We both know it'll get built, but I see Trudeau's dilemma in all this.  Saskatchewan and Alberta aren't really in his political interest whereas pissing off lower mainland could fair badly for him next year.  But on the flip side there's the $$$$.  Conundrum.

Joking aside, I really do want to see Notley flip the existing TransMountain pipeline over to 100% diluted bitumen for the duration of this stand-off, just to give would-be NDP/Green Party voters something to remember next election.

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« Reply #544 on: April 12, 2018, 12:26:30 am »
Joking aside, I really do want to see Notley flip the existing TransMountain pipeline over to 100% diluted bitumen for the duration of this stand-off, just to give would-be NDP/Green Party voters something to remember next election.

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Joking rescinded, it's a really crappy thing to put the environment at risk just to settle a score when the other party is just trying to protect its own constituents.

That's some real petty **** you're spewing right there. 
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« Reply #545 on: April 12, 2018, 12:55:00 am »
Joking rescinded, it's a really crappy thing to put the environment at risk just to settle a score when the other party is just trying to protect its own constituents.
The idea that this is about "protecting constituents" is BS. This is about pandering to people with an ideological obsession with fossil fuels who are too hypocritical to go after the port of Vancouver expansion which is a much greater threat to coastal waters than the relatively small number oil tankers.
 
That's some real petty **** you're spewing right there.
What is petty are the self righteous NIMBYs who actually believe they are entitled to screw over other Canadians in order to gratify their own need to believe they are "saving the world' while expecting to enjoy all of the benefits that fossil fuels provide. If people in Vancouver don't want a pipeline they should learn to live without fossil fuels. It won't be pretty.

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« Reply #546 on: April 12, 2018, 01:24:26 am »
Joking aside, I do agree with you.  We both know it'll get built, but I see Trudeau's dilemma in all this.  Saskatchewan and Alberta aren't really in his political interest whereas pissing off lower mainland could fair badly for him next year.  But on the flip side there's the $$$$.  Conundrum.
If Trudeau fails to get the pipeline built he will lose every red tory across the country. This could easily cost him a lot more in Ontario than in the lower mainland. Also, the BC environmental vote is already gone and nothing he does now will change that. This meanshis prospects for re-election depend more on demonstrating strong economic leadership than worrying about 5 or so BC seats that he might be able to keep if he kept waffling.
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« Reply #547 on: April 12, 2018, 02:05:55 am »
Joking aside, I really do want to see Notley flip the existing TransMountain pipeline over to 100% diluted bitumen for the duration of this stand-off, just to give would-be NDP/Green Party voters something to remember next election.

You mean 0% flow when BC rips it out of the ground.
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« Reply #548 on: April 12, 2018, 02:10:20 am »
If Trudeau fails to get the pipeline built he will lose every red tory across the country.

10 years in office and Haper failed to get 1mm of pipeline to tidewater, but every red tory is too stupid to recognize that fact according to you.
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« Reply #549 on: April 12, 2018, 07:35:23 am »
10 years in office and Harper failed to get 1mm of pipeline to tidewater, but every red tory is too stupid to recognize that fact according to you.
Harper left before the process could complete on any of the pipeline. The process has completed on KM. It has been approved. Construction has started. This raises the stakes immensely for people smart enough to understand that you can't have a high wealth economy if the government is unable to ensure that approved projects get built.

You mean 0% flow when BC rips it out of the ground.
Talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face...
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« Reply #550 on: April 12, 2018, 08:42:38 am »
Joking rescinded, it's a really crappy thing to put the environment at risk just to settle a score when the other party is just trying to protect its own constituents.

That's some real petty **** you're spewing right there.

I thought you'd be happy.  Think of all the carbon that won't be in the Vancouver air once the pipeline is shut off.  Horgan is trying to protect the environment, he's about to get a whole bunch of help!

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« Reply #551 on: April 12, 2018, 09:19:58 am »
10 years in office and Haper failed to get 1mm of pipeline to tidewater, but every red tory is too stupid to recognize that fact according to you.

Might as well stop it at the BC border then.
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« Reply #552 on: April 12, 2018, 10:01:09 am »
I thought you'd be happy.  Think of all the carbon that won't be in the Vancouver air once the pipeline is shut off.  Horgan is trying to protect the environment, he's about to get a whole bunch of help!

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Notley will probably get the legislation passed then sit on it, using the threat at first, only putting it into action if needed and when it will have the greatest effect. She will be able to use it at any time and the more intransigent Horgan becomes, the more justified she will be seen in using it.
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« Reply #553 on: April 12, 2018, 10:27:21 am »
Notley will probably get the legislation passed then sit on it, using the threat at first, only putting it into action if needed and when it will have the greatest effect. She will be able to use it at any time and the more intransigent Horgan becomes, the more justified she will be seen in using it.
The radicals in Vancouver may think they can import gas from Washington State (at great expense), however, the Okanagan would be completely screwed. Horgan would have decide if he wants to sacrifice the interior to placate the greens.
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« Reply #554 on: April 12, 2018, 10:57:06 am »
The radicals in Vancouver may think they can import gas from Washington State (at great expense), however, the Okanagan would be completely screwed. Horgan would have decide if he wants to sacrifice the interior to placate the greens.

Maybe not. Apparently quite a bit of the existing line’s capacity goes to those Wa refineries and is imported back into B.C. as refined product by truck, rail and barge. Up to 35 truckloads a day to YVR alone plus the barge traffic. Imports don’t seem to bother anyone, just exports
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